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The 12 steps and eating paleo

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I'm coming up on 2 years clean and it would be wonderful to find some individuals who also eat paleo and work a program/attend meetings. I haven't come across anyone on here, yet.

Am I the lone wolf?

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250 · October 08, 2011 at 6:21 AM

The OA meeting here conflicts with my NA home group. You said that you do an OA 12 step program online- Do you also do online meetings?

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2427 · September 15, 2011 at 8:00 AM

@Jayme I live in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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714 · September 12, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Welcome back. The folks you know at the meetings are very glad to see you. You help them stay sober. And not only as a counterexample ;-)

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250 · September 12, 2011 at 12:37 AM

@ Wozza- I agree, I feel like a lot of it is related. What area are you from, if you don't mind me asking? @ Shari- It seems like my tendencies to overeat/binge eat are much more controlled when eliminating grains and sugar, among other things.

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510 · September 12, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Shari, I replied below about possibly attending OA. Could I communicate with you privately about greysheet? My e-mail is mhorner2@fuse.net. Thank you.

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250 · September 11, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I went to my first OA meeting last week and absolutely loved it. The literature is really wonderful.

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24271 · September 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

I had a very similar experience. I was in OA for a year then discovered greysheet and found that once my carbs were in check my defects went by the wayside. Well those around food did anyway. For me my madness was far more a function of my physical response to certain foods than a spiritual issue. Still a huge fan of 12 step!

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56616 · September 11, 2011 at 2:31 PM

I wonder why there are so many AA/OA folks on paleo. I've had my own struggles with addiction, I think paleo is a strategy for being more in control of your life and taking care of your body.

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2949 · September 11, 2011 at 7:11 AM

@karlub- that's a great idea, I'm sure some sort of paleo-type approach would help a lot in an AA/NA environment helping get people mentally and physically healthy and balanced.

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2949 · September 11, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Pretty sure I'm the only person who wants steak and fat while stressed haha

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2949 · September 11, 2011 at 7:05 AM

Jayme, I was gunna send this to you but you wrote it haha!

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714 · September 11, 2011 at 4:29 AM

Per some of our comments below, it seems we have some real interest in a paleo/sober group... As I mentioned, if you want to spearhead that, Jayme, count me in: karl dot bucus at gmail dot com

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714 · September 11, 2011 at 4:28 AM

BTW I would be jazzed to have a paleo/sober virtual meeting. Include me in any emails. Maybe we can have a Google+ or FB-mediated thing? karl dot bucus at gmail dot com

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78422 · September 11, 2011 at 3:51 AM

Actually, We're the same age, and the pressure against eating this way is greater for us. Email me, it's cloudffvii88@gmail.com.

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18635 · September 11, 2011 at 3:28 AM

not sober yet, and I'm still working on paleo.

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56616 · September 11, 2011 at 3:20 AM

My dad... 25 years sober, 2 years paleo.

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1472 · September 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Sober 29 years and Paleo for the last 1.75 years. Top weight 324 lbs. Todays weight 218. I started out eating Paleo one meal at a time. Guess where that came from...LOL. September 19th will be my 30th AA birthday.

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714 · September 11, 2011 at 3:58 AM

Seven years sober, 2-3 years paleo, here.

I find the tools I've picked up in 12-step programs very much help me with being paleo. But the penalty for falling off the wagon is different in each case. Now, I understand that eating the wrong stuff will kill me faster, too. But it won't lead me to hurt and/or alienate everyone around me. And, frankly, it will kill me slower.

So, for example, today I binged on some desserts. This happens once a month or so. And it doesn't bother me that much.

So in the end, the 12 steps ARE very much applicable to my paleo project in a tactical way. But treating the paleo project the same way strategically runs a real risk of alienating loved ones and friends.

Another way to say this, for me, is to share one of the greatest insights I have received from working the steps: I am happiest and most fulfilled when directed outwardly by trying to be of use to my parents, wife, employer, God, etc, and putting my wants and desires last. But for me-- as I don't have severe diabetes or anything-- taking the same approach towards paleo would be directing myself exclusively inward. Ultimately I suspect that would be bad for my spiritual health.

As always in matters regarding the Steps (and I know you know this Jayme, but others might not) these remarks are intended to only reflect my experience.

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714 · September 11, 2011 at 4:28 AM

BTW I would be jazzed to have a paleo/sober virtual meeting. Include me in any emails. Maybe we can have a Google+ or FB-mediated thing? karl dot bucus at gmail dot com

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2729 · September 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Sober from drugs and alcohol 4.5 years in AA. Had almost a year abstinent in OA but relapsed recently and can't get back on the wagon. Count me in for any paleo/sober groups.

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2427 · September 11, 2011 at 8:42 AM

I go to meetings, but where I'm from we don't talk much about steps, higher powers, big books, etc etc

Anyway, I think there is a massive intersection for me between alcoholism, hypoglycemia, broken metabolism, obesity etc.

And when I'm eating a good paleo diet, I find the so-called "madness" is none of an issue for me.

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24271 · September 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

I had a very similar experience. I was in OA for a year then discovered greysheet and found that once my carbs were in check my defects went by the wayside. Well those around food did anyway. For me my madness was far more a function of my physical response to certain foods than a spiritual issue. Still a huge fan of 12 step!

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250 · September 12, 2011 at 12:37 AM

@ Wozza- I agree, I feel like a lot of it is related. What area are you from, if you don't mind me asking? @ Shari- It seems like my tendencies to overeat/binge eat are much more controlled when eliminating grains and sugar, among other things.

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510 · September 12, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Shari, I replied below about possibly attending OA. Could I communicate with you privately about greysheet? My e-mail is mhorner2@fuse.net. Thank you.

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2427 · September 15, 2011 at 8:00 AM

@Jayme I live in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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1867 · September 11, 2011 at 4:41 AM

I was in OA and was most successful with a paleo approach. I still read the meditation materials and the twelve steps because my job is super stressful at times. No one ever wants a steak or a vegetable under stress. My longest periods of abstinence occured while studying the paleo diet/primal diet stuff.

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2949 · September 11, 2011 at 7:07 AM

Pretty sure I'm the only person who wants steak and fat while stressed haha

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2435 · September 11, 2011 at 3:57 AM

I started OA. I need to go back. Been a rough summer on myself.

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250 · September 11, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I went to my first OA meeting last week and absolutely loved it. The literature is really wonderful.

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510 · September 11, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Thinking of attending an OA/HOW meeting tonight...if some type of online group forms, I'd love to participate. (mhorner2@fuse.net)

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951 · September 11, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I was sober for three years, then drank, and am now sober again for just over non months. The parallel that I see between paleo and sobriety is a desire to be in touch with yourself and not ignoring the things that are easy to, but are detrimental when they go neglected.

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714 · September 12, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Welcome back. The folks you know at the meetings are very glad to see you. You help them stay sober. And not only as a counterexample ;-)

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543 · September 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I just started OA, though I've only been to every second meeting so far (so, two meetings in total). But I plan on going more regularly. It's funny though that ever since deciding to go paleo, I've been caving in less and less. So I guess paleo+OA may really be helpful to me!

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110 · September 11, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Sober and medium carb Paleo / crossfit here too! There's only a few OA meetings in my area, but they really help!

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1227 · September 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM

I've been paleo for 1+ yr Sober15+yrs. I've always been interest in health and a good diet. Even though I drank a lot calories in alcohol I never drank sodas or ate a lot of crap food. AA meetings helped me a lot learning how to live without alcohol. The 12 Steps are a great tool for self discovery. Until now I was not successful using AA tools for any other moderation i.e. too much coffee, dieting etc. When I discovered from Kurt Harris blog that excess fruit was determental to my health a light went on and I connected excess fruit to my latent alcoholism. You are not alone.

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286 · September 11, 2011 at 4:05 AM

9 years sober 6 months Paleo info(at)angelasuda.com email me too!

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150 · September 11, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I am not in recovery myself, but have a close loved one who is about 3 years past a very difficult time period that included drugs. I just want to applaud all of you have perservered through such difficulties and continue to work your path.

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78422 · October 05, 2011 at 6:19 PM

FYI, Piracetam rules with alcohol.

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8239 · December 24, 2011 at 3:30 AM

Mostly I want to congratulate you on your two fantastic years. Really, that's grand news. Take a moment and acknowledge your success.

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110 · December 20, 2012 at 3:33 AM

15 years sober via AA. Never felt much trouble from gluten, dairy or sugar. My lifelong depression, which spiraled into psychosis, lifted when I quit drinking, and didn't come back during years of chowing down daily on every carb/sugar imaginable while sober. Didn't seem to be a sugar thing for me.

9 months into Paleo. I'm digging cooking and baking whole foods (with friends doing the same) raised as close to home as I can get 'em, supporting local farmers. Working out 90 minutes a week of HIIT/crossfittish now instead of 10-14 hours low cardio. Lost 12 pounds without trying. Not sure I feel the least bit better or different, but whatever health benefits I'm getting is gravy on the fun.

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71 · December 19, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I'm only 80 days sober here, and have beent transitioning to a Paleo diet. I gave up wheat but sugar and coffee addiction is the key part of my crippling depression. I have just begun a 21 Day Sugar detox and do not have feelings of depression. There is an author named Joan Mathews-Larson who posits that alcoholics are not only allergic to alcohol but to gluten, dairy, and sugar. She goes on to say that a 12-step program is not needed, only dietary measures to take away the craving. You heard, that right; character defects, resentments, and unresolved amendements are not what keeps an alcholic drinking, it is the imbalance of blood sugar. What do you all think about that? I know I do not think about my resentments, regrets, character defects at all when i am eating within paleo guidelines and I passed step 4 and was still a mess over the resentments until implementing the diet. I'd love to hear your takes on this.

This is her website explaining her theory http://www.joanmathewslarson.com/

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0 · December 24, 2011 at 1:03 AM

27 years clean. Trying Paleo for the last 4-6 months. Did well for a time. Addicted to carbs. Would love to be in a group Ron s Evansville

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120 · October 05, 2011 at 5:50 PM

I've been in OA for 7 months (83 lbs lost) thanks to the program and Paleo.

I don't want to eat any food that my HP didn't make for me, and it's as easy as that.

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0 · October 05, 2011 at 3:11 PM

I do an OA twelve step program online and keep looking hopefully for a Paleo thread. No such luck yet. Let me know if one actually starts.

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250 · October 08, 2011 at 6:21 AM

The OA meeting here conflicts with my NA home group. You said that you do an OA 12 step program online- Do you also do online meetings?

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