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Being obese is unhealthy. There is no exception. But carrying a few extra pounds in non-visceral fat is not going to be a fan of "accepting people for how they are"health problem in pretty much anybody and I'd say it's probably healhtier to do that than it is to be ultra skinny and possibly malnourished.

Gilliebean makes a great point about how that fear of offending someone can affect a person's decision (or lack of decision) to do anything about their health challenges .

Being obese is unhealthy. There is no exceptionand/or weight.

I think the human nature to respond incorrectly to positive criticism unfortunately causes a cascade effect. The person who wants to help someone almost never will actually say anything for fear of offending the very person they want to help. It's quite sad really. If people were able to think with a clear mind, and proper perspective, they would not allow their own hang ups to block themselves from receiving well intended advice. But unasked for advice is usually unwanted advice as well, right? Such a shame.

So what do I suggest. Judge someone? No. Definitely no. Nobody likes to be judged. We are all jacked up in our own way, are we not? You surely don't want to go around making people believe that you are judgemental against their weight or whatever else. If we all want some level of grace regarding judgement, wouldn't it follow that extending that same grace to everyone makes perfect sense then?

But it sure would be nice if people could just hear the truth (or any opinion really, even if it may not be "the truth") and receive it from a neutral or 3rd party point of view, willing to consider the possibility that the person telling them the hard stuff might actually be right! Imagine that!

Now about the idea that Thomas is talking about with people viewing 'skinny' as healthy (especially women). I have to say that I am in FULL agreement with Thomas about the curvy aspect of women. Women are supposed to be curvy. That's one of the most attractive features of a woman's body. Is it really that hard to believe that guys like big butts? Why do you think that song is so popular? Why do you think the entire world is obsessed with the derriere of women? (yes I am saying 'entire' because it is basically true.). Why do you think a passerby would yell what they yelled at akd? But then, in some kind of demented twist of reality, girls see these stick figure models on the runway or in a magazine and think that's "beauty". Well, it can be in some cases, but many of those 'beauties' are terribly unhealthy and far too thin, sacrificing health for perceived 'beauty'.

In fact, even some of the pics I observed on leangains.com showed some guys to be very very thin and lean, with muscles and veins viewable on every square inch of the body. I personally prefer the more 'filled in' look, even on myself. I just make sure I stay as fit as my body will allow me to. Carrying a few extra pounds in non-visceral fat is not going to be a health problem in pretty much anybody and I'd say it's probably healhtier to do that than it is to be ultra skinny and possibly malnourished. One thing I'm not quite sure about is the squats and deadlifts comment. Those are two pillars of workout routines. I do them both. Does this cause some kind of inflammation? I don't know anything about that.

Anyway... some poignant thoughts from you on this one Thomas.

Thanks!

I'm not a fan of "accepting people for how they are". Gilliebean makes a great point about how that can affect a person's decision (or lack of decision) to do anything about their health challenges.

Being obese is unhealthy. There is no exception.

I think the human nature to respond incorrectly to positive criticism unfortunately causes a cascade effect. The person who wants to help someone almost never will actually say anything for fear of offending the very person they want to help. It's quite sad really. If people were able to think with a clear mind, and proper perspective, they would not allow their own hang ups to block themselves from receiving well intended advice. But unasked for advice is usually unwanted advice as well, right? Such a shame.

So what do I suggest. Judge someone? No. Definitely no. Nobody likes to be judged. We are all jacked up in our own way, are we not? You surely don't want to go around making people believe that you are judgemental against their weight or whatever else. If we all want some level of grace regarding judgement, wouldn't it follow that extending that same grace to everyone makes perfect sense then?

But it sure would be nice if people could just hear the truth (or any opinion really, even if it may not be "the truth") and receive it from a neutral or 3rd party point of view, willing to consider the possibility that the person telling them the hard stuff might actually be right! Imagine that!

Now about the idea that Thomas is talking about with people viewing 'skinny' as healthy (especially women). I have to say that I am in FULL agreement with Thomas about the curvy aspect of women. Women are supposed to be curvy. That's one of the most attractive features of a woman's body. Is it really that hard to believe that guys like big butts? Why do you think that song is so popular? Why do you think the entire world is obsessed with the derriere of women? (yes I am saying 'entire' because it is basically true.). Why do you think a passerby would yell what they yelled at akd? But then, in some kind of demented twist of reality, girls see these stick figure models on the runway or in a magazine and think that's "beauty". Well, it can be in some cases, but many of those 'beauties' are terribly unhealthy and far too thin, sacrificing health for perceived 'beauty'.

In fact, even some of the pics I observed on leangains.com showed some guys to be very very thin and lean, with muscles and veins viewable on every square inch of the body. I personally prefer the more 'filled in' look, even on myself. I just make sure I stay as fit as my body will allow me to. Carrying a few extra pounds in non-visceral fat is not going to be a health problem in pretty much anybody and I'd say it's probably healhtier to do that than it is to be ultra skinny and possibly malnourished.

One thing I'm not quite sure about is the squats and deadlifts comment. Those are two pillars of workout routines. I do them both. Does this cause some kind of inflammation? I don't know anything about that.

Anyway... some poignant thoughts from you on this one Thomas.

Thanks!