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Could rice noodles contain histamines? (pic. included)

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Updated about 24 hours ago
Created June 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I've been eating these rice noodles lately, thinking they are a low-histamine, safe starch: alt text

These two pictures show how the rice is dried (kinda gross):

http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2007/01/13/11-34-52-sm.jpg

http://daniel.haxx.se/travel/vietnam/017-big.jpg

Questions:

Should I assume these are a low-histamine food?
Rice contains protein, right?
If the rice is dried on the street, wouldn't it build up histamines?
Once histamines are produced, do they stay around forever, even through the further processing?

What do you think?

Thanks, Mike

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3280 · June 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Allergy usually refers to an acute and often immediate reaction to the protein in the substance. An intolerance (such as to salicylates or histamines) does not involve a reaction to the protein but rather the food chemicals/substances. There's a great explanation here: http://failsafediet.wordpress.com/

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3280 · June 22, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Hi! I said to myself: "small world" when I saw your posts on allergyuk. Thanks for the info!

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41471 · June 16, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Mike, nothing to be sorry about. Just noticed you're in a anti-histamine kick. Seems like some folks get into various ruts at times. Hope you figure it all out.

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41471 · June 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Karen, did you know that plants grow out of dirt? Really, dirt! Eww! :P

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3280 · June 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I thought someone might have reacted to the pictures :-)

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11581 · June 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Who cares about the histamines? Think about all the heavy metals, petrochemicals and assorted other crap (literally in case of birds etc) that are being picked up from the road. Ewwwwww

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8757 · June 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM

very true!!, so potentially some can be ok and others not....we're doomed :)

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3280 · June 15, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Thanks @Kelly. I'm beginning to suspect none of this stuff is black & white. I just found this test result on rice milk, which normally shows on the low list: "20 packs of rice milk tested by our lab: 13 packs had 18ppm histamines or below (good) 7 packs had over 30ppm histamines (bad) rgds Dirk Immunologist www.immunecliniclondon.com

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3280 · June 15, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Thanks @Kelly - very kind. I very much want everyone to benefit from the end result of my quest. I made my raw notes public in this evernote folder: www.evernote.com/pub/pcguys/histamines

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8757 · June 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM

well, the way I see it, if Mike gets it worked out, we benefit from his experiment (those of us who have interests in histamines that is)...go go go CMM!

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1515 · June 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Skin prick tests are unreliable.

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3280 · June 15, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I'm sorry Matt. I'm trying not to clog thing up too much, but trying to implement a low-histamine paleo diet is pretty tricky stuff. Luckily, there are a bunch of paleo folks here who are histamine sensitive, or know, and have been very kind sharing info. BTW, I now suspect I've been dealing with the histamine thing for 3 years without recognizing it as such. It was only after going paleo and changing all my foods around that the light-bulb went off. (I was never a big spinach/tomato eater before :-)

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41471 · June 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM

So much histamine talk, did the site change to HistamineHacks when I wasn't looking? ;)

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8757 · June 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I found this list of low level histamine foods, rice noodles are on it:

http://www.histamineintolerance.org.uk/about/the-food-diary/the-food-list

rice absolutely has a % of protein, when I was at my worst with histamine issues (and I didnt know) I was eating nothing but rice and was blowing up like a balloon.

My thought would be to try and eat freshly made foods on the low histamine lists and you'll likely be fine!

hope it works for you!!

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8757 · June 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM

very true!!, so potentially some can be ok and others not....we're doomed :)

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3280 · June 15, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Thanks @Kelly. I'm beginning to suspect none of this stuff is black & white. I just found this test result on rice milk, which normally shows on the low list: "20 packs of rice milk tested by our lab: 13 packs had 18ppm histamines or below (good) 7 packs had over 30ppm histamines (bad) rgds Dirk Immunologist www.immunecliniclondon.com

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260 · June 22, 2012 at 6:06 AM

You only really need to worry about histamine if you are actually allergic to the substance. There are people who are allergic to the sun and the sun has no histamine...the body just produces it because it thinks it is harmful. You can try quercetin/rutin as natural anti-histamines.

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3280 · June 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Allergy usually refers to an acute and often immediate reaction to the protein in the substance. An intolerance (such as to salicylates or histamines) does not involve a reaction to the protein but rather the food chemicals/substances. There's a great explanation here: http://failsafediet.wordpress.com/

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0 · June 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Hi there, rice is high in histidine, a histamine precursor. Some people with histamine issues react to rice when eaten in large quantities. Also make sure the rice is not left over from another meal as bacteria increases the histamine content of food. I generally find that most processed foods mess with histamine levels. You can message me at 'the biogenic amine woman at gmail dot com' if you want more histamine info. I'm launching a low histamine meal planning service that's pretty compatible with the paleo diet. You can also check out the biogenic amine woman dot com for more info. Hope this helps.

Lol, sorry I see we have already chatted! I'm also pineapple girl on the allergy uk forum :)

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3280 · June 22, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Hi! I said to myself: "small world" when I saw your posts on allergyuk. Thanks for the info!

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0 · June 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM

My son is allergic to rice (skin test verified), so I would have to assume that it both contains proteins and is histamine producing.

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1515 · June 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Skin prick tests are unreliable.

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