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Everyone always suggests ACV and Salt for stomach acid? Is there any proof to this?

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Created June 28, 2013 at 4:46 AM

I feel like everyone always just recites what they've been told or read about the stomach acid problem. I've spoken to multiple GIs and I have yet to see one of them say anything about this. I've seen multiple GIs at Stanford, UCSF and some other hospitals. None of them seem to agree with what you guys say.

What I'm curious about is, are there any studies showing sodium increases stomach acidity? Is there anything showing AVC stimulates stomach acid like many say?

I'm not trying to be rude, I guess I just don't understand how it works. One would assume if salt was needed for stomach acid, then Americans would have plenty since salt is so plentiful. Yet the common saying around here is; more people have less stomach acid then too much. Yet, I bet people eat more acidic and salty foods now then they have in the past 100 years.

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384 · June 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I think the function of the LES and damage to the gut should be considered another possibility for sure. Mine started after stress and we all know how detrimental to health that can be. Also genetics could possibly play a role. It just raises the question, why do some/many people benefit from increasing stomach acid? Also, how would taking away 95% production of stomach acid help heal the stomach? The esophagus i can understand if the situation is bad to severe. But the thought of trying to digest half of the junk in our diets with hardly any stomach acid is not where i want to be again.

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 8:14 AM

How many people also warn others when taking ACV to make sure to have enough potassium so they don't get hypokalemia? What about the diabetics, does anyone tell them the chromium in ACV may cause fluctuations in their insulin?

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I don't own the book, can you cite some sources from the book that show any evidence of this? I'm not saying its false, but my original question asked for evidence, not one doctor writing a book for profit. I'm sure ACV and Betaine HCL may help some people, but when people online are just haphazardly advising others to make their stomachs more acidic not knowing if they have ulcers, take anti-coagulants or many other things. Just seems stupid and wrong. I have Leaky gut, it has nothing to do with SIBO or stomach acidity. If I asked for help, they would suggest Betaine HCL.

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 7:57 AM

From what I've spoke to, it's not always about too much acid. But more about the function of the LES and damage to the gut. I don't believe I ever said, they thought it was too much either. I just have a hard time believing too little is the problem for as many people as the paleo community likes to think. Pretty much the solution to every stomach problem seems to be; "take Betaine HCL" or "drink acv+lemon." I totally understand the function of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. However, I don't think many people know enough about it to be suggesting people to be adding extra to others.

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289 · June 28, 2013 at 3:37 PM

@nefarioux I personally know someone who was able to stop her acid reflux merely by stopping her intake of antacids. I'm curious whether the GIs you've spoken to have "real evidence" that too much acid causes reflux? The medical community seems to only look at symptoms, which is no better than paleos saying that ACV "worked" for them.

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15 · June 28, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Honestly, I've read many reasons. That's why I find it more of people thinking how something works rather than knowing how it works. Like I said, it feels like people just reciting what they've heard from other people who aren't professionals or researchers.

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15 · June 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I've read what he wrote, and I still find it hard to believe. Like I said, I've spoken with many GIs and none of them are familiar with this knowledge and from what I've seen there is no real evidence of these things being true. Like that more people have Low stomach acid rather than too much. And that salt is a good. Pretty sure none of the GIs I've spoken to at Stanford are trained to push drugs since its a teaching hospital and they don't allowed pharmaceutical companies to sell to them. Stanford also doesn't have a pharmacy so they get no profit from selling prescriptions.

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4393 · June 28, 2013 at 9:09 AM

i thought the reason for the ACV recs were just to add acid to the stomach (ACV being acidic), rather than ACV being used to stimulate stomach acid

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384 · June 28, 2013 at 7:01 AM

http://chriskresser.com/heartburn Have you given this series a read? It's pretty in depth and quite well explained.

And i think there's a lot more to it than salt intake. A lot of the salt that americans are consuming is being consumed with tons of carbohydrates which contributes to the bacterial overgrowth thus less stomach acid etc (plus not to mention the PPIs they might be on). Also, as far as i know, ACV doesn't increase stomach acid. But it does relieve heartburn symptoms for a lot of people.

And with all due respect (and not to get political), but my impression of GI specialists is that they're trained/quite happy to push acid suppressing drugs forward whether they're aware of the problems they can cause or not.

And besides, how many people do you know would be happy if they went to a doctor for a heartburn problem, knowing that there's drugs to instantly relieve pain but the doctor refused them and instead gave them a lecture on how they should be eating a low/specific carb diet and living a more healthy lifestyle? They might mention that they should be eating better that's about all they have time for. I spoke to my GI specialist and she agreed that diet is the only way to permanently cure it (with exceptions to H pylori etc). Most people are content with taking a PPI and eating whatever they want. Unfortunately/fortunately i wasn't one of those lucky people which is what eventually led me to paleo and get rid of my GERD.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm late for work :P

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289 · June 28, 2013 at 3:37 PM

@nefarioux I personally know someone who was able to stop her acid reflux merely by stopping her intake of antacids. I'm curious whether the GIs you've spoken to have "real evidence" that too much acid causes reflux? The medical community seems to only look at symptoms, which is no better than paleos saying that ACV "worked" for them.

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15 · June 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I've read what he wrote, and I still find it hard to believe. Like I said, I've spoken with many GIs and none of them are familiar with this knowledge and from what I've seen there is no real evidence of these things being true. Like that more people have Low stomach acid rather than too much. And that salt is a good. Pretty sure none of the GIs I've spoken to at Stanford are trained to push drugs since its a teaching hospital and they don't allowed pharmaceutical companies to sell to them. Stanford also doesn't have a pharmacy so they get no profit from selling prescriptions.

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 7:57 AM

From what I've spoke to, it's not always about too much acid. But more about the function of the LES and damage to the gut. I don't believe I ever said, they thought it was too much either. I just have a hard time believing too little is the problem for as many people as the paleo community likes to think. Pretty much the solution to every stomach problem seems to be; "take Betaine HCL" or "drink acv+lemon." I totally understand the function of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. However, I don't think many people know enough about it to be suggesting people to be adding extra to others.

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384 · June 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I think the function of the LES and damage to the gut should be considered another possibility for sure. Mine started after stress and we all know how detrimental to health that can be. Also genetics could possibly play a role. It just raises the question, why do some/many people benefit from increasing stomach acid? Also, how would taking away 95% production of stomach acid help heal the stomach? The esophagus i can understand if the situation is bad to severe. But the thought of trying to digest half of the junk in our diets with hardly any stomach acid is not where i want to be again.

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20 · June 28, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Book "Why Stomach Acid is Good for You" by Dr. Wright. Great explanation of why we are not making enough acid, how to supplement in the short term (to train your body to make more long term) and why doctors do not tell you all this basic and easy info. ACV or some supplemental hydrochloric acid help up to 90% of people in this MD's opinion. This doctor also addresses food although he is not full paleo.

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 8:14 AM

How many people also warn others when taking ACV to make sure to have enough potassium so they don't get hypokalemia? What about the diabetics, does anyone tell them the chromium in ACV may cause fluctuations in their insulin?

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15 · June 29, 2013 at 8:11 AM

I don't own the book, can you cite some sources from the book that show any evidence of this? I'm not saying its false, but my original question asked for evidence, not one doctor writing a book for profit. I'm sure ACV and Betaine HCL may help some people, but when people online are just haphazardly advising others to make their stomachs more acidic not knowing if they have ulcers, take anti-coagulants or many other things. Just seems stupid and wrong. I have Leaky gut, it has nothing to do with SIBO or stomach acidity. If I asked for help, they would suggest Betaine HCL.

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