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just wondering what you think of this calcium supplement

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Created June 06, 2013 at 2:00 PM

i also drink dairy, but apparently you only retain 20% of the calcium from dairy

http://www.devanutrition.com/calciumplus.html

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578 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Most get it from dairy but the real safe sources are (1) vegetable sources (spinach, kale) and (2) fish (anchovies, sardines). Dairy has an issue of its own, obviously. Plus, because of Vitamin A, I'm not sure how effective dairy is. What's interesting is that osteoporosis is lower in countries where they don't consume milk regularly and highest in countries like Denmark and Switzerland, where lots of dairy are consumed. Is this reliable? Don't know. Maybe osteoporosis detection isn't so thorough in such countries.

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5356 · June 08, 2013 at 5:25 AM

The references were through Nutritionist ie, from the same great people who bring you My Plate! ( eeek) , which seems to be the RDA standard, more or less, but I've been reading Robb Wolf’s thoughts which seem to mirror your articles, so I've dropped my calcium to half via supplement, and I guess I'll need to make bone broth...otherwise I'd have to try to add hard cheeses to my diet, which I really want no part of, cause "I" love cheese, and my colon, DOES NOT! Though I’ve been looking into Kefir, not sure if that’d help the situation at all, I really don’t know enough about it.

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578 · June 08, 2013 at 4:40 AM

Did you check out those references? I'd not be taking one bolus of 1200mg calcium. There is another school of thought on calcium. Calcium deficiency in men and women these days are as much the result of calcium leeching due to the acidity of foods from processed flour and sugar. If you're gluten sensitive, you could malabsorb calcium. Most celiacs suffer from osteoporosis. So the deficiency is really due to seepage, not not eating enough foods with calcium. Having said that, it would be wise to eat calcium rich foods like green veggies and fish.

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5356 · June 07, 2013 at 11:59 PM

I've read that the bio-availability of spinach is 5% and milk was 30%...I don't like fish...so it's starting to sound like I need to eat dairy...and the idea with osteoporosis was covered in, I think Food Inc...

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 9:00 PM

since i already bought the pills i may as well use them, probably with some meat, k2 and d3. i only have 90 days worth. is there such a thing as bone meal from pastured animals?

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 8:59 PM

im gonna take just one of these pills a day with meat, k2 and d3. may as well since i have it. is there such a thing as bone meal from pastured animals?

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 8:46 PM

im wondering if theres a source i can trust. im not gonna buy pulverized bones from regular cattle

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5356 · June 07, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I take D3 10k IU, Calcium 1200mg and Magnesium 600mg daily...I've never seen any kind of study like this before now. Cheese, yogurt and milk are in the top 10 calcium foods, which, I eat none of these and I've read that 1200mg is about the minimum RDA for calcium, where is everyone here getting all their calcium from exactly?

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578 · June 07, 2013 at 4:25 AM

Just to remind you, 1,000 mg (or 1 g) is the dose where increased incidence of heart disease, stroke, and all cause mortality happened, whether you took calcium as part of a multivitamin or separately. I would lay off calcium. There have been 3 separate studies that confirmed the dangers of supplementing calcium, especially in a large dose like 1g. Check out Chris Kresser's blog.

Now, this has been pretty well publicized now that most doctors are aware of it. The 3 studies that associated calcium supplementation with higher death rates all came out since 2009.

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1568523

http://heart.bmj.com/content/98/12/920.full

http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c3691

Now, is it less dangerous when you supplement Magnesium, Vitamin D and Vitamin K-2 together? Not really sure but I wouldn't take chances. Supposedly Vitamin K-2 directs where calcium goes (arteries or bones) but I don't believe calcium is useful as a supplement period. I believe there is a bit of "calcium leeching" going on due to the acidity of high flour and high sugar diets and because of gluten sensitivity. Remember that if you suffer from celiac disease, you automatically have osteoporosis because of poor calcium absorption. I think it's the absorption issue that's causing osteoporosis and external calcium supplementation could in mose cases be dangerous. So take your K2, Mg and D3, if you must; these aren't implicated in any studies for their ill effects, at least not yet.

Calcium rich foods: sardines, anchovies, spinach, kale, collard greens.

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5356 · June 07, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I take D3 10k IU, Calcium 1200mg and Magnesium 600mg daily...I've never seen any kind of study like this before now. Cheese, yogurt and milk are in the top 10 calcium foods, which, I eat none of these and I've read that 1200mg is about the minimum RDA for calcium, where is everyone here getting all their calcium from exactly?

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578 · June 08, 2013 at 4:40 AM

Did you check out those references? I'd not be taking one bolus of 1200mg calcium. There is another school of thought on calcium. Calcium deficiency in men and women these days are as much the result of calcium leeching due to the acidity of foods from processed flour and sugar. If you're gluten sensitive, you could malabsorb calcium. Most celiacs suffer from osteoporosis. So the deficiency is really due to seepage, not not eating enough foods with calcium. Having said that, it would be wise to eat calcium rich foods like green veggies and fish.

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 8:59 PM

im gonna take just one of these pills a day with meat, k2 and d3. may as well since i have it. is there such a thing as bone meal from pastured animals?

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 9:00 PM

since i already bought the pills i may as well use them, probably with some meat, k2 and d3. i only have 90 days worth. is there such a thing as bone meal from pastured animals?

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5356 · June 08, 2013 at 5:25 AM

The references were through Nutritionist ie, from the same great people who bring you My Plate! ( eeek) , which seems to be the RDA standard, more or less, but I've been reading Robb Wolf’s thoughts which seem to mirror your articles, so I've dropped my calcium to half via supplement, and I guess I'll need to make bone broth...otherwise I'd have to try to add hard cheeses to my diet, which I really want no part of, cause "I" love cheese, and my colon, DOES NOT! Though I’ve been looking into Kefir, not sure if that’d help the situation at all, I really don’t know enough about it.

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5356 · June 07, 2013 at 11:59 PM

I've read that the bio-availability of spinach is 5% and milk was 30%...I don't like fish...so it's starting to sound like I need to eat dairy...and the idea with osteoporosis was covered in, I think Food Inc...

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578 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Most get it from dairy but the real safe sources are (1) vegetable sources (spinach, kale) and (2) fish (anchovies, sardines). Dairy has an issue of its own, obviously. Plus, because of Vitamin A, I'm not sure how effective dairy is. What's interesting is that osteoporosis is lower in countries where they don't consume milk regularly and highest in countries like Denmark and Switzerland, where lots of dairy are consumed. Is this reliable? Don't know. Maybe osteoporosis detection isn't so thorough in such countries.

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10994 · June 07, 2013 at 12:01 PM

This is a good question and the corrent answer is hydroxyapatite, especially if it includes some k2 or d3. I wouldn't take any other calcium supplements for reasons that Sataran said.

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1021 · June 07, 2013 at 8:46 PM

im wondering if theres a source i can trust. im not gonna buy pulverized bones from regular cattle

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68 · June 06, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Looking at amazon, seems like a good low price. Have you taken calcium supplements before? It looks like it combines several different forms. I, personally, have trouble with some of these forms, which have cause major bloating and constipation and related pain. The only calcium I take now is Alive! Bone Formula Max Absorption from Nature's Way, which is also plant based and doesn't cause me any GI distress. However, it is more expensive (about $9 more on Amazon comparing both). Good luck!

http://www.naturesway.com/Products/Minerals/15838-Alive-Calcium.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/Alive-%C2%AE-Calcium-120-Count/dp/B007RMK3II/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370542009&sr=8-1&keywords=alive+calcium

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292 · June 06, 2013 at 5:50 PM

I would say yes why not!

I take a similar supplement which is mixed with magnesium and vitamin d3.

Maybe trial it and see wether you notice any differences! If negative stop and if positice continue :)

Hope that helps!

Ryan

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