I'm thinking of purchasing Mark Sisson's Damage Control Master Formula. I'm looking for something that will help with my low energy levels and kick start some weight loss, as well as promote good health, but $129 is way too much to spend on a whim! I have to know the product is good for that kind of money.
I've looked for reviews online, but they don't jibe and feel fake. Plus most sites have the same reviews over and over that they've 'borrowed' from Amazon. I think Primal Toad also reviewed it, but all he says is 'Yep, it's potent!' and doesn't describe the changes he felt.
If you've taken before or take it now, could you let me know what you think? As much as I trust and respect Mark Sisson, I need a little more if I'm going to drop a quarter of my disposable income!
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This is one of the most overpriced supplements around. Not knocking Mark Sisson; I love his articles and his enthusiasm. But look at the nutrition facts label, and see what you're getting for $129/month:
-Vitamin megadoses (not necessary, especially with a healthy diet--research on adverse effects of mega-doses comes out every once in a while, even for water soluble vitamins)
-Antioxidant phytochemicals (lycopene, resveratrol, etc show up in CVS multivitamins too!)
-A mix of random stuff that has scanty evidence for certain markers of chronic conditions
-A small number of adaptogens that purport to help stress levels
There's a few ways to help energy levels and kick start weight loss. In my opinion, the best way is to see what you can do with a fairly strict paleo diet for a few months, then if you feel like you should explore supplements, spend away! If you want stress-releiving supplements, they abound even on Amazon, and for cheap on sites such as 1fast400.com. Search for ingredients such as vinpocetine, ashwaganda, etc. But this stuff is probably way overhyped. I tried a few of them, and a couple made me tired, plus one might have destressed me a little, or it could have just be placebo! Not to mention that you don't want to take all these pills all the time, swallowing big ol' capsules is hard, and not a great/natural thing for your daily routine.
If you track your food intake for a few days, you can see what vitamins/minerals you're missing. Then, you can shore that up with food, and if necessary supplements. Probable culprits include magnesium and iodine.
Here are some elements you can thinker with that are often still lacking on a paleo diet:
- Vitamin D
- Vitamin K2
- Omega-3 fats
In the paleo circles a lot of attention is given to vit-D and fish oil, but almost everybody is low on iodine, magnesium and k2 and sources aren't aboundant. If you eat sea weeds you should be fine in terms of iodine, but a lot of paleo people cut their only source of iodine (iodized salt) and magnesium used to be abundant in our water, but not anymore.
I think Mark Sisson's Sun-soil-oil formulation makes much more sense, that with added magnesium, iodine and grass-fed butter (for k2) is what does it for me.
I think the main criticism is it's too expensive... If you were to buy everything separately you could get it for less, but then that goes for nearly all packaged or bundled products.
The other issue is it has a whole bunch of stuff in there that you probably have no idea what they are and if you need/want to take them. Personally I would never ingest a supplement I hadn't read and studied. When I first started out on Paleo I looked at his DCMF and was shocked by how many things were in it, "this can't be Paleo!" I thought. However as I started down the journey into researching supplements, every new supplement I discovered that was popular/looked promising would pop on in his formula, to the point where I now think it is very well researched and despite disagreeing with a couple inclusions/dosages (unavoidable with such a long list) I think Mark Sisson must be extremely well-read on all this stuff, much more so that he lets on in his daily posts!
Beastie Girl, When looking for a supplement, look up INDIVIDUAL items that may help your issue, then evaluate FORMULAS to see if they contain the type and amount of items you need.
In general, if you are deficient in something and it is affecting your life (e.g. not getting enough sleep, sleeping too much, hair falling out, dry/itchy skin), supplementation may be a very effective way to improve your symptoms while you improve other areas of your life.
There will come a point in time (typically 3-6 months) when you'll notice a convergence - your supplementation needs decline, your nutrition output has improved so that you might start reducing the quantities of some supplements until perhaps you need only 1-2 (maybe Vit D, fish oil, for example).
As to whether the Master Control is for you, do some research on what individual supplements you need first, then research the options. $129 might be worth it, might not. Also be sure your vitamin sources are plant-derived, non-GMO.
Looks like this discussion is pretty much over... I have purchased this supplement 1 day ago and after my second intake of 6 pills at lunch time, I am having an explosive diarhea and vomiting. I found your posts searching if anyone else was having a similar adverse effect. I have been following the Primal Bluepring diet for almost 2 years now daily enjoying Mark Sisson's posts. So decided to improve my health even more... This has been 8 hours since I had those pills and I am still unwell... Oh well, going to call Customer Service in the Morning to ask what to do and if I should try to take other supplements I purchased as a package (Primal Calm and some probiotics). Sorry for the sad post.
I just eat grass fed beef liver and get a kind of salt that is cured in kelp. Couple times a week fish oil. Other than that, only paleo food, no other supplements. Feel pretty lively most times.
I take Natures Multi- Grass Fed Beef Liver or Cod Liver Oil. It's way more bioavailable than pills, and it's food to boot!
I love this supplement pack! I used it when I first was going paleo/primal and felt it really helped. I showed it to my Naturopath who was impressed with the ingredients included. It actually is quite affordable and one is not able to purchase all the ingredients included for less than the supplement cost. I did add some extra fish oil and a couple other items per my Naturopaths suggestion. But I was dealing with a lot of stress at the time. As I have felt more energized I cut back to one packet a day. Dosing is for two packets one in the morning and one evening. I could have changed to the less powerful supplement but decided I wanted the extra stuff in the damage control formula instead. Love it and will continue to purchase.
First off I want to start with the fact that every person's body is different. I personally am helped by a paleo diet but every body is different. The only reason you should comment on this questions is if A. you have tried the supplements on a regular basis or B. you have the same degree or higher as Mark sisson. I have personally had good results from the supplements but I also have a unique health history. I have always had problems with my energy levels as a kid I would come home from high school exhausted and sleep for two hours. I have a family history of celiacs disease, diabetes and I also have a milk allergy and I am anemic (all diagnosed by doctors). I started the paleo diet and Marks supplements at the same time. After about three months I started feeling energetic, I focused better on my school work and i was able to work out harder than before. I religiously took the supplements for one year never missing a day. For once in my life I was feeling great. Unfortunately I lost my job and I was no longer able to afford the supplements. After two months I started feeling drained all the time. I would get grumpy if I didn't eat every thirty minutes and I also started craving sugar. I have not taken the supplements for 7 months now and I am back to my old self. I have been taking a iron supplement and a multi vitamin for the seven months I have been without income. My income situations has finally improved but I am still not feeling as good as I did when I was taking marks supplements. I volunteer at a free clinic right now and I also have a new job and I am ordering the supplements again. Volunteering at the clinic has really opened my eyes. we have so many patients that are young and sick all the time. Yes the vitamins are expensive but why is it crazy to spend 189 dollars a month on vitamins but acceptable to spend 400 dollars on anti depressants, insulin and high blood pressure medicine? I would rather spend money on prevention of disease than on fighting disease.
Correction: that would be wrong if I did not write this one 8 month later. My symptomps happen not to be related to the supplement at all, this was a really bad coincidence. Stomach flu with a sudden onset or any other infection. I did not return the supplement after all and gave it a try. I am taking it more or less regularly ever since. I also showed the supplement to a naturopath at a pharmacy and she said the formula is very good and must be really expensive. Even though I do not feel any particular increase in my overall energy level, my health did improve and I haven't been sick from September to April with a flu which is a huge achievement. I was also able to grow my nails effortlessly. I normally react really quicky and negatively to any supplementation of vitamin C, event to Ester C which is non-acidic. Interesting thing, even though the supplement has a high dosage of this vitamin, I haven't noticed any adverse reaction. On some days I do take all 12 capsuls with food, sometimes I take only 6, and 1-2 days a week I take no supplement at all. I usually skp it on days when I am not physically active. I also tried Vital Omegas and I am being careful not to exceed 1-2 capsules a day and take it with copious amount of good hot "proper" lunch. It does not agree with anything light like just a salad. I am taking Primal Flora daily and like it. Also it is much less expensive than HMF or other probiotics. I tried Primal Calm and it worked very very well for me. I was worried that I have an overactive thyroid with all the jitterness and other quite typical symptoms, but it all was gone withing a few weeks. The effect is lasting. I only return to Primal Calm during periods of very high stress and it works well each time with no side effects. I swear by this one. As you can see, I have been purchasing quite a lot that amounts to $200 monthly. However, since I am purchasing the Master Damage Formula, I pay only $30 instead of $50 for Primal Calm, and $11 only for Primal Flora. Also the supplement comes with a free bottle of Vital Omegas. So far so good. Needed to writhe this post for fairness sake. I'll write again if things change.
Son of Grok wrote a review, it's a couple years old, but good nonetheless!