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can I heal black spots on my teeth?

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Created March 02, 2012 at 5:47 AM

I'm a nut when it comes to cleaning my teeth. I brush twice everyday, floss, mouthwash, the whole shabang. I've been doing this since I got 5 cavity's over one summer. I vowed no more cavities! Yet here I am again, I see it forming on one of my molars, a dirty black spot. I've read that people have healed their teeth with cod liver oil/butter oil blend. Will this actually work?

EDIT: I've been paleo for over a year now. I go to my dentist very regularly. My next appointment is coming up and I'm worried he may want to drill it. I eat about 1-2 a day, most meals are either a stew I made over the weekend from bones and grass-fed beef or chicken with lots of veggies, or I'll eat stir-fried veggies in some kind of ground meat or eggs. I've been having a very hard time trying to eat liver, I can't do it. I gave up soda and have been drinking coffee, tea, carbonated water or kombucha. I make my own Kombucha and I know its pretty acidic so if I drink it I always try to swish my mouth with water afterwords, but I forget sometimes.

UPDATE 7/05/12: I went back to my dentist, the black dot turned out to be a cavity. I had to get it drilled. But when my dentist was taking a closer look into my mouth he actually found numerous other "dots". He lightly drilled or polished them away but said they could come back for me even though I have great daily oral hygiene. I lost a lot of my top enamel due to night grinding of my teeth in my sleep, I now wear a mouth guard. Because of that I'm going to be prone to cavity's unfortunately. I know acidic drinks won't help me moving forward, but I don't know if I can cut out my morning coffee at work. I now drink my coffee with cream and a teaspoon of coconut oil, maybe that will lessen its impact on my teeth? I've also been taking the CLO/BO regularly, a teaspoon a day.

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185 · July 05, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I have gone back to my dentist a few weeks after I posted this question originally. It turns out it was a cavity, I had to get it drilled. But when I was getting the tooth drilled and my dentist was able to take a closer look in my mouth he saw numerous black dots, but they were small, a pinprick in size. He either drilled or polished most of them away, but he told me they could return. My dentist claims that I'm going to be cavity prone due to the fact that I grind my teeth at night I whittled away a lot of my top enamel (I now have a mouth guard I wear at night).

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19120 · May 02, 2012 at 5:09 PM

@stephen remineralization *and* inhibiting the bacteria's ability to synthesize sugars (i.e. acting as a disruptive poison to the bacteria) are both properties of dental flouride use.

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1317 · May 02, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Fluoride prevents cavities not because it is a poison, but because it gets taken up into the enamel matrix and results in harder, more acid-resistant enamel.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I'm a coffee drinker too, but beware highly acidic drinks (like coffee) if you find that you are prone to caries. Acidic liquids are none to be detrimental to teeth, promoting caries.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:10 PM

@Practicing Paleo - those are great *anecdotes*, and I'm happy your family is healthy. I've studied Ayurveda for years, and I understand the history of oil pulling. It's definitely not a bad habit, likely just being a neutral one, but there isn't hard evidence to say "it cures caries." It /likely/ makes things somewhat inhospitable for bacterium in the mouth, but again, not a lot / any evidence documented. Downvoting people's answers because they don't jive with your desired preconceived notions is poor form, imho.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Wow, I got two downvotes for relaying factual/dictionary information. I'm beginning to think PH suffers from confirmation bias pretty hardcore. :-/ Or maybe people really don't like trips to the dentist.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Flouride is a poison, and *that's why it works*. Caries / cavities are caused by the acids excreted from bacteria that lives on teeth and feeds off sugars. Flouride is *extremely* effective for preventing caries, as it kills the bacteria and prevents more from growing. It happens to be a poison.

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316 · March 02, 2012 at 5:36 PM

We have seen great results with oil pulling, as well as, cod liver and butter oil intake. Only have 1 out of family of 4 with cavity issues and he is the one who practiced a vegetarian diet for almost a year (exactly when the rotting developed and ate through his tooth). His teeth and mouth are recovering fine with Paleo diet, oil pulling, and cod liver/butter oil. YMMV

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316 · March 02, 2012 at 5:31 PM

"Fluoride is poison, but it works." What?

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10044 · March 02, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Lizzy, I just use a wet toothbrush to clean my teeth. I also floss and use a waterpik to clean between teeth. If you are not eating organ meats then there is a good chance you were lacking in vitamin k2 which the butter oil should help address. Here is a link with more info on vitamin k2. http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/vitamin-k2-dr-weston-price-activator-x.html

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185 · March 02, 2012 at 4:44 PM

I think I'm very lacking in vitamin A & D. I can't eat liver, I've tried many times. Almost weekly I make a giant bone broth stew from turkey/chicken/beef bones plus a few marrow bones. I mostly have been eating that, or I'll stir-fry veggies with some ground meat or eggs. I just got a bottle of blue ice cod liver oil/ butter oil blend. I took my first teaspoon last night, oh god. I need assurance that this maybe will work so I can keep on myself to take it regularly. Thanks for that article. If you stopped using toothpaste what do you use to clean your teeth?

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 4:26 PM

... it's also unproven by clinical/scientific tests. Not that swishing a healthy oil around your mouth is bad, it's just not proven to help.

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156 · March 02, 2012 at 8:01 AM

Black spots can be bacterial. Are you sure it's a cavity and not something that can just be removed?

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10044 · March 02, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Lizzy,

Can you tell us what your diet is like?

My dental health has improved since going on a paleo diet. I have not healed any visible cavities but some teeth sensitivity I used to have has gone away and my teeth are more opaque.

I also stopped using toothpaste to avoid the glycerine that prevents tooth re-mineralization. Also, getting enough vitamin K2 in your diet should improve bone and dental health.

Here is some info that might help you:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reversing-tooth-decay.html

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10044 · March 02, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Lizzy, I just use a wet toothbrush to clean my teeth. I also floss and use a waterpik to clean between teeth. If you are not eating organ meats then there is a good chance you were lacking in vitamin k2 which the butter oil should help address. Here is a link with more info on vitamin k2. http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/vitamin-k2-dr-weston-price-activator-x.html

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185 · March 02, 2012 at 4:44 PM

I think I'm very lacking in vitamin A & D. I can't eat liver, I've tried many times. Almost weekly I make a giant bone broth stew from turkey/chicken/beef bones plus a few marrow bones. I mostly have been eating that, or I'll stir-fry veggies with some ground meat or eggs. I just got a bottle of blue ice cod liver oil/ butter oil blend. I took my first teaspoon last night, oh god. I need assurance that this maybe will work so I can keep on myself to take it regularly. Thanks for that article. If you stopped using toothpaste what do you use to clean your teeth?

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Caries / cavities are always bacterial - however, the black spot may not have progressed to the point of wearing away a large hole in your tooth.

I suggest you see a dentist to take care of the issue now, and continue your cleaning regimen. Make sure to use fluoride toothpaste - flouride is poison, but it works.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Flouride is a poison, and *that's why it works*. Caries / cavities are caused by the acids excreted from bacteria that lives on teeth and feeds off sugars. Flouride is *extremely* effective for preventing caries, as it kills the bacteria and prevents more from growing. It happens to be a poison.

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316 · March 02, 2012 at 5:31 PM

"Fluoride is poison, but it works." What?

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Wow, I got two downvotes for relaying factual/dictionary information. I'm beginning to think PH suffers from confirmation bias pretty hardcore. :-/ Or maybe people really don't like trips to the dentist.

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1317 · May 02, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Fluoride prevents cavities not because it is a poison, but because it gets taken up into the enamel matrix and results in harder, more acid-resistant enamel.

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19120 · May 02, 2012 at 5:09 PM

@stephen remineralization *and* inhibiting the bacteria's ability to synthesize sugars (i.e. acting as a disruptive poison to the bacteria) are both properties of dental flouride use.

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41544 · March 02, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Supplementing with vitamins D and K, Zinc and Magnesium were recommended to me a while back after having a less than stellar dentist visit. No idea if it will help with remineralization or not, but I'm giving it 6 months before I let them drill.

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5808 · July 04, 2012 at 3:00 PM

I have these on my molars, too! My dentist said they are not cavities, and they could scrape some of it off. I drink tons of coffee, he said it was probably the coffee! When I do a clean Whole 30, with lots of coconut oil, they start to go away. Not sure what the connection is, though.

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185 · July 05, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I have gone back to my dentist a few weeks after I posted this question originally. It turns out it was a cavity, I had to get it drilled. But when I was getting the tooth drilled and my dentist was able to take a closer look in my mouth he saw numerous black dots, but they were small, a pinprick in size. He either drilled or polished most of them away, but he told me they could return. My dentist claims that I'm going to be cavity prone due to the fact that I grind my teeth at night I whittled away a lot of my top enamel (I now have a mouth guard I wear at night).

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320 · March 02, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Google "oil pulling". It's does amazing things for people with tooth and gum disease. It's also easy and cheaper than going to the dentist.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 4:26 PM

... it's also unproven by clinical/scientific tests. Not that swishing a healthy oil around your mouth is bad, it's just not proven to help.

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19120 · March 02, 2012 at 6:10 PM

@Practicing Paleo - those are great *anecdotes*, and I'm happy your family is healthy. I've studied Ayurveda for years, and I understand the history of oil pulling. It's definitely not a bad habit, likely just being a neutral one, but there isn't hard evidence to say "it cures caries." It /likely/ makes things somewhat inhospitable for bacterium in the mouth, but again, not a lot / any evidence documented. Downvoting people's answers because they don't jive with your desired preconceived notions is poor form, imho.

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316 · March 02, 2012 at 5:36 PM

We have seen great results with oil pulling, as well as, cod liver and butter oil intake. Only have 1 out of family of 4 with cavity issues and he is the one who practiced a vegetarian diet for almost a year (exactly when the rotting developed and ate through his tooth). His teeth and mouth are recovering fine with Paleo diet, oil pulling, and cod liver/butter oil. YMMV

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2329 · March 02, 2012 at 2:33 PM

check out doctor ellie's blog too. info on getting good bacteria in your mouth and remineralizing

http://askdrellie.blogspot.com/

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25 · March 02, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Cavities are a funny thing. Some people are just more prone to them than others. You just might be one of those unfortunate people. Or it could just be some staining.

-Dental Professional.

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0 · April 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM

How about fissure sealant to prevent molar cavity?

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0 · July 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I had a similar experience. I'd been flossing every day, brushing several times a day and also noticed the small black spots forming on the top of my teeth, one was a cavity, which I had filled.

Then I changed a few things. Totally gave up soda pop. Switched from a toothpaste with glycerine to baking soda (with some water in the mouth) and a chaser of Kid's Spry Tooth Gel with Xylitol that does not contain glycerine (dare you to find another toothpaste without Glycerine) Came to love the combination. Two weeks ago, I switched to Eco-Dent ExtraBrite (first ingredient= baking soda) and plan to move on to the Echo-Dent daily care, why I'm not sure other than the directions, since I love the ExtraBrite.

Anyway, I noticed that the small black spots are now a light brown and don't appear to be deep. I've been on the baking soda / Kid's Spry regime for a year. Probably black spots to light brown spots changed before the Eco-Dent switch, but didn't notice.

Wonder if others could try similar and see if their very small black spots disappear?

I've seen where many people think baking soda is abrasive and while I certainly wouldn't put the dry powder on my teeth and scour, when mixed with a little water in the mouth, seems to be fine. Also if the following link comes through this post, here is the only abrasion index that I've found for toothpastes - http://dukeslc.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/toothpaste-abrasion-ratings/ - if the link doesn't come through, just search for toothpaste abrasion index. The index lists baking soda as dramatically the lowest abrasion.

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4100 · July 04, 2012 at 3:40 AM

I chew gum after every meal. It gets all the stuff out of those nooks and crannies in the molars.

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