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Hack my morning tiredness, why can't I wake up?

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Created September 27, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Since pretty much birth, I've been a night owl - and hated getting up in the mornings. Since going paleo early this summer I have been feeling so much better - all around. Better skin, less bloating, better digestion, better mood, a tiny bit of weight loss - but i still, dread waking up every morning and just feel so tired when I do-despite an 8 or 9 hour night of sleep. Here are the things that I do:

-I make sure to get at least 8 hours of sleep about 90% of the time..sometimes even 9 or -9.5. -My room is very very dark, and actually doesn't even get light in the AMs (I live in a studio/loft style apartment with no bedroom windows) -I eat paleo 85-90% of the time, and supplement with vitamin D

Does anyone have any recommendations to improve my mornings? or any insights as to why I'm so sluggish, tired, and GRUMPY in the mornings?

Also, I don't take birth control and am on a TNF inhibitor that seems to control my symptoms from an auto-immune disease.

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260 · October 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Yes, where and how did you get this test? I've asked my PCP about one, and she said she didn't believe in that..ie wouldn't order it.

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1816 · October 17, 2011 at 10:24 PM

... and you're sure you're not pregnant? I was always beyond exhausted the first bit of mine.

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361 · October 17, 2011 at 10:23 PM

What did you tell your doctor to get the cortisol test? Did he/she just agree to do it when you asked?

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24538 · October 17, 2011 at 9:54 PM

When I had to get up at 4:45am for work, I did the lamp timer thing, and it worked great. I got one at Target for about $10, hooked it up to the brightest lamp we have to turn on about 1/2 hour before the alarm. Even if I hadn't gotten enough sleep, I could still jump up out of bed without too much grumbling.

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5242 · September 28, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Love the bulb idea!

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288 · September 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I actually went cheaper than the suggestions in the link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0020ML73K http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00198SWJI for a grand total of $22. Someday I might spring for one of the fancy sunrise alarm clocks but this low-rent solution seems to be working great for now.

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288 · September 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM

I actually went cheaper than the suggestions in the link. I bought these timers and this bulb, for a grand total of $22.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM

@Cody, the details are in the link Beck provided.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 9:23 PM

I agree with you about the FDA. They are only about money and big pharma. I passed on the link because it may be hard to get the product in the future due to the FDA

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Love this answer! Can you give us specifics on the timer and bulb? Where did you get them and how much did they cost?

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Yep. And not eating 3 hours before bed.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM

I checked the FDA stuff and like I suspected the shit is not physiological or chemical in nature but political - "Piracetam is not a vitamin, mineral, amino acid, herb or other botanical, or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake". This is artificial distinction.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

BTW, I have eyes problems from the birth [astigmatism], so that may explain it.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM

FDA is on my ignore list. They are full of BS. I don't need it to tell me what to do, I know to read scientific papers myself.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:26 PM

I sleep better, shorter and I feel energetic, and often euforic in the morning. I don't take it regularly tho. I used ~2g but higher doses work much better for me. The problem is, it seem to affect my eyes somehow.... I must be one of those rare individuals who have slight negative effects from it - nothing serious tho and reversable as soon as I stop it. I agree that vivid dreams may disturb sleep for me, but my wife tell me that I need to practice to like it, like she does....

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I dont remember at this point. I had a container of it from Smart Powders. I wasnt paleo at the time so maybe I was too messed up to benefit from it. Have you heard of Alpha Brain? It is something you can make on your own but the mix they have is getting great reviews. The only thing is it supposedly gives very vivid dreams and I find vivid dreams disturb my sleep. What positive effects do you receive from Piracetam? I may try it again. Also it looks like the FDA is going after it http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm225605.htm

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

@Cody, what part of the protocol do you think helped the most? Was it the eating 50+ grams of protein upon wakening?

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Did you use it before sleep ? How much Pira ?

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 6:44 PM

I used Piracetam with alpha GPC for a few months and it did nothing for my morning tiredness.

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20411 · September 27, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I find that my wife yelling at me to get the hell out of bed works pretty well.

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288 · September 27, 2011 at 8:10 PM

I was exactly the same...until I started getting meticulous about light exposure. A friend sent me this article on how to become a morning person and it seriously changed my life. I installed f.lux (a free program that shifts your computer monitor to the red spectrum as the sun sets), bought a timer and hooked up a full-spectrum lightbulb so that a light automatically turns on in the morning to wake me up. I no longer need an alarm and am no longer exhausted in the morning.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM

@Cody, the details are in the link Beck provided.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Love this answer! Can you give us specifics on the timer and bulb? Where did you get them and how much did they cost?

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5242 · September 28, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Love the bulb idea!

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288 · September 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I actually went cheaper than the suggestions in the link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0020ML73K http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00198SWJI for a grand total of $22. Someday I might spring for one of the fancy sunrise alarm clocks but this low-rent solution seems to be working great for now.

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288 · September 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM

I actually went cheaper than the suggestions in the link. I bought these timers and this bulb, for a grand total of $22.

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24538 · October 17, 2011 at 9:54 PM

When I had to get up at 4:45am for work, I did the lamp timer thing, and it worked great. I got one at Target for about $10, hooked it up to the brightest lamp we have to turn on about 1/2 hour before the alarm. Even if I hadn't gotten enough sleep, I could still jump up out of bed without too much grumbling.

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2954 · September 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Leptin reset also worked for me. No matter how much sleep, I still couldn't get out of bed. And it wasn't because I was tired! So I was confused...

After leptin reset I now eat a huge break fast at 7am, a lunch at 2 pm, and that's my last meal. If I do this, I get in bed early, sleep well, and wake up quickly and easily without alarm.

Also I can't wake up if I cheat with wheat.

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1472 · October 18, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Could be untreated sleep apnea. Going Paleo doesn't cure everything. I've lost 100lbs and still have sleep apnea. It is how your throat is built not the rumor you hear about how much you weigh.

Get a sleep study. Untreated sleep apnea is a killer.

Good Luck

Jeff

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1801 · September 27, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Eating low carb paleo reset my leptin before even hearing about paleohacks... Definitely try the leptin reset protocol, it seems to have helped a lot of people.

From what I remember, it's cortisol and prolactin that are out of sync - your cortisol levels should be higher in the morning and I think the prolactin kicks in about midnight (correct me if I'm wrong please).

I found that breastfeeding seemed to have a helping hand too - probably because of the prolactin thing.,

And, FWIW, I was exactly the same, I rmember being a kid and my mam having to wake me at around noon to get out of bed on a weekend. I couldn't sleep before 1-2am when I was younger either. Even when put to bed as a kid, I wouldn't be able to sleep and used to watch the world go by for a few hours lying in bed. This only changed when eating paleo. I also have an autoimmune condition that has remitted with paleo.

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1515 · September 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Try eating paleo 100% of the time for a while. Report back with results.

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0 · October 17, 2011 at 9:49 PM

I have a similar experience with getting out of bed in the morning & getting going in the morning, even after adequate sleep. You could order a saliva test to check hormone levels...(cortisol/ serotonin/ etc). I've been tested and turns out that my cortisol levels upon waking are less than 1/2 what they should be (which basically means I have adrenal fatigue). There are herbal supplements that can 'replenish' the adrenals, but it may take time. I am still working through this issue, hoping to see light at the end of the tunnel.

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361 · October 17, 2011 at 10:23 PM

What did you tell your doctor to get the cortisol test? Did he/she just agree to do it when you asked?

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260 · October 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Yes, where and how did you get this test? I've asked my PCP about one, and she said she didn't believe in that..ie wouldn't order it.

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24538 · September 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

I've struggled with the night owl thing my whole life. There do seem to be a small percentage of people who are genetically hard-wired that way, I may be one of them. I do come from a long line of night owls. Light exposure early in the morning helps, a lot, but I've never felt like it fully reset me, and one dark morning and I was back to sleeping in until noon.

I've been trying to do the leptin reset, but have been having trouble with convincing my body to go to sleep. I usually get a really good second wind around 11pm, and can work all night at that point. In the past I have used Ashwagandha tincture at about 9pm with good results as long as I get into bed and turn down the lights, it is possible to fight through the sleepiness it induces pretty easily if I don't get into bed though, so that takes some initial discipline.

This week I accidentally figured out that if I ingest a good amount of Celtic Sea Salt in a broth first thing in the morning it gives me more of a jolt than caffeine ever has. I actually find it hard to get through a full cup of 1/2 caff. now, I've been a caffeine fiend forever. I don't know exactly how it works, but stimulating the adrenal glands with the salt is probably helping with proper cortisol secretion. I've started getting tired when it gets dark too, which I haven't figured out yet if it is the lack of caffeine or just that my adrenal glands are winding down properly now after all their hard work early in the day.

One last thought here. I'm finding it somewhat difficult to let go of "night owl" as an identity. "Morning person" is a phrase I've often said with derision. It is a family tradition to stay up too late, perhaps it is a dumb macho thing. It feels deeply ingrained in who I am. So I know even though I am getting tired earlier than before, I'm going to need to have a bit of a showdown with that part of myself in the very near future.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM

You do this:

  • Remove wheat if you use it.
  • Use Piracetam before sleep and entire day, Coenzime Q10, Fish oil, vitamin C.
  • Do cold shower in the morning to boost your adrenalin
  • Eat at least 30g protein in the morning.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 6:44 PM

I used Piracetam with alpha GPC for a few months and it did nothing for my morning tiredness.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:26 PM

I sleep better, shorter and I feel energetic, and often euforic in the morning. I don't take it regularly tho. I used ~2g but higher doses work much better for me. The problem is, it seem to affect my eyes somehow.... I must be one of those rare individuals who have slight negative effects from it - nothing serious tho and reversable as soon as I stop it. I agree that vivid dreams may disturb sleep for me, but my wife tell me that I need to practice to like it, like she does....

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Did you use it before sleep ? How much Pira ?

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

BTW, I have eyes problems from the birth [astigmatism], so that may explain it.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 9:23 PM

I agree with you about the FDA. They are only about money and big pharma. I passed on the link because it may be hard to get the product in the future due to the FDA

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM

I checked the FDA stuff and like I suspected the shit is not physiological or chemical in nature but political - "Piracetam is not a vitamin, mineral, amino acid, herb or other botanical, or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake". This is artificial distinction.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I dont remember at this point. I had a container of it from Smart Powders. I wasnt paleo at the time so maybe I was too messed up to benefit from it. Have you heard of Alpha Brain? It is something you can make on your own but the mix they have is getting great reviews. The only thing is it supposedly gives very vivid dreams and I find vivid dreams disturb my sleep. What positive effects do you receive from Piracetam? I may try it again. Also it looks like the FDA is going after it http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm225605.htm

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM

FDA is on my ignore list. They are full of BS. I don't need it to tell me what to do, I know to read scientific papers myself.

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Check out JackKruse.com and see his leptin reset. That seems to help quite a bit. It's eating 50+ grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking. It turned my Mom from someone who needed sleeping pills into someone in bed at nine and up with the sun. Took about a month for her to see those results. Nothing short of amazing!

Also, bright light in the morning will help kickstart your seratonin production and help you wake up.

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20411 · September 27, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I find that my wife yelling at me to get the hell out of bed works pretty well.

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2437 · September 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

@Cody, what part of the protocol do you think helped the most? Was it the eating 50+ grams of protein upon wakening?

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78422 · September 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Yep. And not eating 3 hours before bed.

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