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Wahls Diet vs. High Organ/Seafood/Eggs Paleo for MS?

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Created February 17, 2012 at 1:59 PM

I'm curious about whether anyone with MS has cleared their symptoms without the HUGE amount of veggies recommended by Dr. Wahls?

I LOVE what she's doing, but I can't imagine that many people will find her diet sustainable for very long.

It seems to me (intuitively) that Vitamin D, magnesium, plus a nutrient-dense diet is what's really needed--not 9 cups of vegetables every day.

What am I missing?

(I don't have MS, but I know a few folks who do...)

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41442 · September 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Getting hung up on whether this is a cure or not is a lousy answer.

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18635 · February 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Is she post Vitamix Blender by Montel Williams :)....Sounds right up his alley too.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I never heard of Cordain or DeVany until I found Mark Sisson via the Four Hour Work Week...

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 4:51 PM

She may have done this pre-Harris, Sisson, but not pre-Cordain, DeVany.

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I do not begrudge her trying to make money on promoting her diet. (Better her ,than Ornish or OZ!)I'm trying to do the same! I was just answering your specific question re: her "nine" cups of veggies "rule". I'm only skeptical of her not citing the "giants on who's shoulders she now stands-(Newton) No mention of Harris, Sisson, et al.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM

By the way, I am very happy for her to make $$$ promoting her diet. She is channeling the $$$ back into research and we definitely need more research to support Paleo.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 4:14 PM

By the way, I am very happy for her to make $$$ promoting her diet. She is channeling the $$$ back into research and we definitely need more research to support Paleo. I don't think she is being ego-centric here, just sharing what worked for her.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I think she may have come to it through identifying the nutrients needed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Question for you : does she credit any Paleo" Mavin "for leading her toward Paleo? I haven't seen any mention in her videos. She acts like she "invented the Paleo Diet wheel" herself. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM

She does recommend juicing for those who don't/can't eat all that fiber.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM

How do you eat your veggies, shah? And what kind do you eat primarily?

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Nine cups is not the "gas machine" that you imagine. Probably something you need to get used to, but not an inevitable "ending".

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Let me revisit your question. I feel better on my high starch days. I fell more Full", with less digestive stess thoughout the day.

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I have noticed little difference between my high veggie weeks, my high starch weeks or my higher fat weeks. Less chewing/meal time is about the only difference.:).

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Exactly,the "nine cup" rule becomes a deterrent to a potential neophyte.That's just the down side of Capitalism. Almost from the get go , Walhs is undercutting her own "crusade" by tring to distiquish herself from the Paleo- guru -herd. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM

For sure, Annie! But for folks in the early stages of MS, 9 cups of veggies might be a deterrent to starting sooner. I'd hate to see folks waiting, trying other solutions and suffering when they could eat a diet far less time-intensive & get the same results.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Thanks, shah! So have you noticed a difference in your symptoms between high vs. low veg?

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3946 · February 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Ton of veggies, but the diet is supported by her improved health. If I had MS, it would certainly be worth 9 cups of veggies a day for a potential cure. How sustainable is MS in the long run?

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18635 · February 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Yeah, thats a ton of vegetation. I was kind of hoping some vegetation could be replaced with those other things too.

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM

good question ,as usual. (DF); The answer: $$$$$$$$. the nine cups of veggies seperates her from Harris, Sisson et al. Otherrwise, she is just another face in the "MD-PALEO" crowd. Nine cups of veggies gives her a brand. ....And I say this as someone who eats OVER nine cups of veggies most days. For almost a year now I've been a "high- veggie- Archevore ". But I can buy her book, buy her seminars, and transform myself into a "Dr. Wahls Paleo". I give Terry Walh's video link to all my clients, friends and family. I use her story to reinforce/broaden my own "Defeating Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue schtick", but the nine cups of veggies-as-talismanic-quality thing is just plan marketing BS! Great BS, but still marketing BS! :)

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Let me revisit your question. I feel better on my high starch days. I fell more Full", with less digestive stess thoughout the day.

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM

I have noticed little difference between my high veggie weeks, my high starch weeks or my higher fat weeks. Less chewing/meal time is about the only difference.:).

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Thanks, shah! So have you noticed a difference in your symptoms between high vs. low veg?

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4359 · February 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I wonder what part of her success was due to starch restriction. She eliminated potatoes and other starches from her diet, and that might have been very sensible for somebody with a neurodegenerative disorder. For healthier young people without a hint of insulin resistance, however, I don't think it makes sense to limit oneself this way. Basically, she's eating an amount of fiber fit for an ape and I can only imagine how much gas that causes...

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM

She does recommend juicing for those who don't/can't eat all that fiber.

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32518 · February 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM

How do you eat your veggies, shah? And what kind do you eat primarily?

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78422 · February 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Nine cups is not the "gas machine" that you imagine. Probably something you need to get used to, but not an inevitable "ending".

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14877 · September 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I don't know. If you listen to some of her interviews, she is a HUGE proponent of omega 3. She said initially eating a paleo diet did help, but it was not until she started eating an omega 3 emphasized paleo diet that her recovery really got under way. When you think about, large amounts of green vegetables will provide ALA, which could be a very beneficial component (she uses flax oil on salads and seems to favor walnuts).

I asked a question a couple months back about ALA, and then did some researchand it does seem that there may in fact be more benefits to ALA rich diet than an EPA/DHA rich diet, as ALA is the parent-essential fatty acid, which has a more diverse role in influencing our genome.

So, yeah a nutrient dense diet is great for most people, but I tend to think of Wahls as the definitive expert on curing MS with (mostly) dietary interventions, so if I were concerned about MS I'd eat a diet more in line with what she recommend. And, anecdotally I am very concerned about keeping my mitochondria functioning and in tip top condition for the rest of my life, so I do try to eat more seafood and greens these days. I always eat fresh salads, but do notice that nothing seems as inflammation soothing as side of steamed broccoli (though, to be honest, this is probably at least partly psycho-somatic in nature).

I say if you feel great eating the way you do, then you shouldn't worry...but...regardless I would still incorporate some nutrient dense greens and seafood into your diet along with the other stuff.

On a side note, I don't think I could handle as many greens as she does just because it would give me digestive distress and make me bloated and gassy. I feel much better eating a couple mixed green salads (romaine, green and red leaf lettuces) and 1 steamed vegetable a day (usually broccoli).

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8 · September 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM

She still has that pale sickly look of people with MS. I have that look, so recognize it when I see it. She's better, not cured, that's obvious.

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41442 · September 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Getting hung up on whether this is a cure or not is a lousy answer.

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