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Helping a Vegetarian

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Created February 25, 2010 at 4:18 PM

My sister is a long time vegetarian who eats mainly grains, soy, and some cheese. She has had a whole host of physical and mental issues. Don't know how related they are to her diet, but she recently has expressed interest in changing the way she eats.

She became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, but also because of her soon-to-be ex-boyfriend. So, I think that is part of the reason why she is more open to changing now.

How do you think the best way to start her off with a paleo approach would be?

I want to get her the book The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability by Lierre Keith, but also want to help her get started so that she can find this an easy(ier) transition.

Thanks!

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346 · October 04, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Why would vegetarianism preclude using animals as fertilisers? Dairy farming is acceptable to vegetarians.

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400 · July 07, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Also get her Nourishing Traditions... not paleo per se, but a good start

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355 · February 28, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Definitely going to be lending her my copy of the Primal Blueprint, but thanks for your input on The Vegetarian Myth.

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355 · February 25, 2010 at 5:23 PM

It's mostly grains, soy, and some dairy (mainly cheese). I think she mainly did it for ethical reasons and because that's how her boyfriend ate. But now they are breaking up...

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1665 · February 25, 2010 at 4:30 PM

What's her diet like? Mostly grains? Mostly tubers? Mostly soy? Any dairy? What are her qualms? Meat is icky or meat is murder?

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1665 · February 25, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Depends on her diet and her moral stance. If she thinks meat is icky, try to get her to eat eggs, fermented fatty, dairy, and possibly chicken breasts to being with. Fish might be an option as well.

If she's a veg*n for moral reasons, try get her to eat organic free range meat and offal. Explain about fatty cuts and offal being side-products of the meat industry, possibly.

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6157 · February 25, 2010 at 9:47 PM

I have had some pretty unsuccessful experiences in talking to veg*ns about diet, so hopefully you can learn from my mistakes.

You may not want to start her off with The Vegetarian Myth. It's full of good information, but the tone is at times disparaging toward veg*ns. E.g., she refers to a vegan nutritionist as "some idiot" because she told a young couple that a vegan diet would be just great for their newborn. Granted, the baby died.... But apparently people don't like to be called idiots. It might turn her off at this point if it makes her feel attacked or insulted.

If she became veg*n for ethical reasons, you might want to show her some clips from Food, Inc. or interview clips with Joel Salatin from Polyface Farms.

Soil health Farms like Polyface produce soil creation of 0.5%-3% yearly, while every grain- or soy-producing monocultural agribusiness farm causes soil erosion.

Pesticide/fertilizer use Polyface uses no pesticides or chemical fertilizers, while grain farms generally use petroleum-based fertilizers.

Animal rights Polyface treats their animals well, while Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations are full of abuses.

Carbon emissions Polyface claims to be net carbon-negative because of carbon sequestration due to the way they collect and spread manure into the soil (rather than washing it away or collecting it as CAFOs do). Other "moderate" scientific sources disagree, due to the higher methane emissions of grass-fed cows (methane eventually converts to carbon in the atmosphere).

It is easy for me to believe that animals eating grains and pooping into concrete lagoons is harmful to the planet.

It's hard for me to believe that animals eating grass (as they are biologically meant to do) and pooping and farting onto the soil itself has a negative impact on the health of the planet via carbon emissions. So, I don't really care if Polyface is truly carbon-negative or not. It seems reasonable to conclude that the Polyface model is about as close to truly sustainable as you can get.

The bottom line is that if you are really concerned about environmental concerns, it makes no sense to be a grain-eating, soy-eating vegetarian. You cannot heal the soil without the animals grazing on the soil and fertilizing it.

Consumption of grains and soy directly supports the monocultural agribusiness farms that contribute to soil erosion, pesticide/herbicide/petrofertilizer use, loss of ecological diversity, etc. etc. etc.

If you are concerned about animal rights (humane treatment), then Polyface answers that objection decisively. Those are some very happy animals. Salatin jokes that they have a happy existence, but just one bad day.

(If you are squeamish about killing/eating animals, or if you have a principled objection to eating animals at all, then there's not much that anyone can say to convince you that you should eat animals.)

Combine all this with the health benefits of eating grain-free, soy-free Paleo, and it might be an easier sell.

I was at a Salatin lecture recently where he gleefully noted that ex-vegetarians are his best customers, because when they hear that pastured polycultural perennial agriculture is the fastest way to heal the soil, the vegetarians don't feel guilty about eating meat anymore, and they eat even more to make up for lost time. =)

As for practical tips on getting your sister started, take it slow and re-introduce various foods one at a time. Start by cutting out vegetable oils, soy, gluten. Add fish or whatever meat she tolerates/enjoys, coconut oil, maybe butter (if raw/grassfed/local, and if you consider butter close enough to Paleo). There's much more refining to do, but that's already a pretty good start!

If she is resistant to the idea of giving up vegetarian, she can still cut out soy and gluten, and eat soaked/sprouted lentils, beans, rice, etc. (At that point, though, my question to her would be, how is that any more environmentally friendly than local, grassfed meat?)

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346 · October 04, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Why would vegetarianism preclude using animals as fertilisers? Dairy farming is acceptable to vegetarians.

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4528 · February 25, 2010 at 5:21 PM

It might also be helpful to point her toward the Weston A. Price Foundation's "Vegetarian Tour" on their website. There's a lot of good information there, and a much (much!) shorter version of the Vegetarian Myth to get her started. Good luck!!

http://www.westonaprice.org/Vegetarian-Tour.html

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400 · July 07, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Also get her Nourishing Traditions... not paleo per se, but a good start

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56616 · February 25, 2010 at 11:02 PM

My sis is also a vegetarian. It's very sad because she has many of the same problems I had when I was veg, but claims she can't change her diet because she lives in the dorms at school. I am getting her Garden of Eating for her bday. I think she will like it because it has an emphasis on vegetables.

I also have a meat adverse boyfriend and my strategy with him is not to push foods on him that he doesn't like, but to substitute tubers for grains, chicken for soy, and to cook with lots of bone stock.

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2633 · February 25, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Another thing is to transition slowly with consideration. Just as ZC-ers get thrown for a loop after a night out with a couple beers and some birthday cake, a vegetarian can get thrown for a loop by a fatty steak cooked in butter with eggs on top.

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1922 · March 02, 2010 at 3:30 AM

Vegetarians often suffer from saturated fat and protein deficiencies. Short answer: eat meat. If she's resistant to that, then:

  • Cream
  • Butter
  • Eggs
  • Cheese
  • Coconut oil and/or olive oil instead of vegetable oils
  • Eliminate wheat and other grains

B-12 deficiencies are also very common in vegetarians. It's usually a good idea to supplement, if she isn't already.

There's a good step-by-step plan at the PaNu site.

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1137 · February 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Lierr Keith's book is strong but the info in it is really top-notch for vegetarians. (former veg here.)

She did a brilliant phone interview with Jimmy Moore. Here's a link: link text

Her website has the first 14 pages of her book: link text

From what I recall, Mark Sisson's The Primal Blueprint is written in an easygoing, unoffensive tone and is a good beginning Paleo-style book.

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355 · February 28, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Definitely going to be lending her my copy of the Primal Blueprint, but thanks for your input on The Vegetarian Myth.

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