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No weightloss? Paleo for around a month - very detailed description please advise :)

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Hey guys,

I went Paleo over a month ago- very strict sort of detox so only meat/fish, veggies (limited starchy ones to maybe one serve a day if that), fruit (1 serve a day max) some nuts limited to maybe a small handful a day, coconut oil to cook and olive oil for salads and eggs.

Average Day Food:

Breakfast 2 eggs, 2 cups of veg cooked in coconut oil with avo if I feel like it. (I don't really love avo so training myself to like it.)

Snack - if I feel like it small handful of blueberries and maybe some nuts or a boiled egg with small amount of veggies in it.

Lunch: Meat -decent serving like almost the whole breast of a chicken or something or tuna/sardines etc. Another 2 cups minimum of veg in coconut oil (cooked from last nights dinner).

Snack- either boiled egg, pesto (homemade) and celery/carrots, some meat if there is stuff left over, can of tuna/oysters.

Dinner: Same as lunch.

I workout 4-5 days a week: HIIT/Weights maybe 3 times a week, I walk either 1-2 days depending on other workouts, dance one day, do pilates one day.

I have had some issues in the past with my digestion and IBS - C. It has really improved much at all since being on this diet..

Anyway I haven't lost any weight!. I have tried not snacking but I am a teacher and have set times to eat which is difficult because I have breakfast at 7.30am and lunch isn't until 1pm and I am absolutely starving if I don't eat anything at morning break..

Oh and I am female 5'8 and 152 pounds I wear a size 8. Measurements: Bust- 38, waist is 27.5inches, Hips 39inches

Any advice would be seriously appreciated! :) I don't want to loose a whole heap of weight but there is at least 10 pounds that doesn't need to be there.

Thanks

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690 · March 22, 2014 at 6:14 AM

More cardio is not the answer.

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 7:05 AM

no probs & good luck. upvote any answers you like. & 'like' any comments you like :)

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 6:25 AM

I am really only vlc so between 50-100g a day usually around 60-80g because I did some reading and found that it's suggested for weight loss. I know it's not done amazing things for my digestion, which I hope will improve and adjust. How do you tell if you have candida overgrowth? Do you think I am eating enough fats? @daz

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 6:23 AM

Brilliant thanks - I will have a look at all of those. thanks so much you have been really helpful @daz

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:59 AM

"Although your hunger has me wondering..." does a yeast/candida overgrowth have hunger as a symptom (hungry yeast need to eat). just a thought.

i have read that going zc or vlc just causes candida to 'dig in'

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 5:27 AM

Here is what I have noticed.

First it takes some people more time to see effects.

Second after a few months your body's health will I crease and your diet Intake and meal size will decrease. We have been starving our bodies and when they catch up all of a sudden the massive amounts of food we use to eat do not make sense any more.

I eat way less then I did a year ago and I feel 10 times better.

Give your body some time.

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:25 AM

do some googling on "fat adapted" to get some more info, here are a few links that google just returned for me,

paleohacks/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-fat-adapted.html

mda/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted

mda/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted-part-2-qa

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:23 AM

once you do become adapted, i would start adding carbs back, i personally do Not think that vlc is is a good place to be for the rest of your life. just my personal view. i am not vlc, i'm pretty flexible & tend to like Jaminet views in general; perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:18 AM

the time it takes someone to become (fully) 'fat adapted' (excuse the term, but that's what it's generally referred to in these realms) will vary from person to person depending on the current 'status' (health/metabolism/etc/etc) of that individual & their diet. could take days/weeks/months.

once you become adapted (or metabolically flexible) you will then be able to go without food for a lot longer without feeling hungry. cont...

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 4:43 AM

Cool Cool, sorry very new to this. I have been eating very low carb for maybe 2.5 weeks. @daz

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690 · March 21, 2014 at 4:24 AM

First of all...BMI is not a great metric especially for the well muscled. I suggest ignoring it!

Two people of the same height & the same weight have the same BMI.... couch potato or HIT enthusiest .

I recommend you take a look at http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/

Addtionally 27.5" / 30" gives you a waist to height ratio of ~.71, pretty much in the "sweet spot".

I think you're not losing weight because you don't "need to".

Although your hunger has me wondering...

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 4:13 AM

how long have you been eating vlc (very low carb)...

(use the 'add comment' box if you can, rather than add a new answer) (or 'reply' comment option)

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 3:54 AM

this is what some people term as being a 'fat burner' or becoming 'fat adapted'

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 3:52 AM

hi Rej82, if you mean Why...i think your body isn't accessing your fat stores (effeciently/effectively)...

it is because you are hungry...you should not be "starving" after 6 hours (let alone hungry after 4 hrs)...this to me, is an indication that your body is craving energy & is not getting it (or not getting enough) from your bodies fat stores, if it could, you would not be feeling hungry...& also you would be losing weight (losing fat actually)

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 2:49 AM

i basically agree with you ivymcivy,

tho what is interesting is that she reports being hungry/starving all day (my interpretation), she writes "...I am actually really hungry for all of those snacks and meals."

ie. it seems that she cannot go that many hours without food without becoming hungry, which makes me think that her body is having a hard time accessing her fat stores for energy. Why this is...i do not know. But resolve that & everything else will likely fall in to place.

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM

with cronometer, there are just a few tweaks you should do, to make a bit more info visible;

using the web version, got to the 'Profile' tab, then find the 'Nutritional Targets' section, then make every Nutrient visible, there is a checkbox on the far right column under the heading 'Visible'. repeat for each tab; general/vitamins/minerals/carbs/lipids/proteins

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0 · March 20, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Thanks for the tip! Awesome app! So I hit 95% of nutritional targets... The only ones that were lower than 100% was B1 at 90%, vitamin D 78%, calcium 58%, omega 3 85%, omega 6 47%

@daz

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:56 AM

if the diet app does not give detailed micronutrient info (minerals, vitamins, electrolytes etc), then plug all the info in to cronometer.com (my personal favorite)

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:04 AM

which calculator are you using (got a link?), ~2500 sounds a bit on the high side for maintenance of ~152 pounds

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:02 AM

a few thoughts if you are feeling hungry/starving a lot;

- you are missing or low in some micronutrients, & until those needs are met you will feel hungry, have you plugged your diet in to cronometer (or similar) to see if you are missing something.

- you have chronically high levels of ghrelin (increases appetite & hunger) and/or low levels of leptin, this could be caused by bad sleep or lack of sleep (just read it in a health/fitness mag...so it must be true).

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 9:42 AM

same stats here, try doing more cardio and less weights and cut at least one of the snacks. Try eating 1500-1600 calories a day. 1800-1900 is for maintainance. The small amount you burn with HIIT and weights goes for the muscle building and perhaps sometimes you eat more than you realise.

I did the same mistakes at first, now I am learning moderation and eating a lot less: you will survive it. And again : do more cardio.

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690 · March 22, 2014 at 6:14 AM

More cardio is not the answer.

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 4:04 AM

I ment why you think I am not burning fat? Could it just take awhile? For example at 1pm I had a beef burger pattie with 2tbs macadamia oil basil pesto and say 2 cups of veggies cooked in coconut oil. It's now 3pm and I am hungry again... Why :( @daz

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:18 AM

the time it takes someone to become (fully) 'fat adapted' (excuse the term, but that's what it's generally referred to in these realms) will vary from person to person depending on the current 'status' (health/metabolism/etc/etc) of that individual & their diet. could take days/weeks/months.

once you become adapted (or metabolically flexible) you will then be able to go without food for a lot longer without feeling hungry. cont...

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:23 AM

once you do become adapted, i would start adding carbs back, i personally do Not think that vlc is is a good place to be for the rest of your life. just my personal view. i am not vlc, i'm pretty flexible & tend to like Jaminet views in general; perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 5:25 AM

do some googling on "fat adapted" to get some more info, here are a few links that google just returned for me,

paleohacks/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-fat-adapted.html

mda/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted

mda/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted-part-2-qa

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 4:43 AM

Cool Cool, sorry very new to this. I have been eating very low carb for maybe 2.5 weeks. @daz

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 6:23 AM

Brilliant thanks - I will have a look at all of those. thanks so much you have been really helpful @daz

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 4:13 AM

how long have you been eating vlc (very low carb)...

(use the 'add comment' box if you can, rather than add a new answer) (or 'reply' comment option)

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Mmm you both have really good points @daz and @ivymcivy . I guess it is vanity pounds as my BMI is healthy 23.1 - it is however on the higher end of healthy. I reckon I could last 4 maybe 4.5 hrs inbetween meals but I would be starving after 6 hours I think. If it takes cutting out my fruit, doing keto or intermittent fasting I am not interested because it's not sustainable. I am curious as to whether you think my body isn't accessing my fat stores though @daz

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 3:52 AM

hi Rej82, if you mean Why...i think your body isn't accessing your fat stores (effeciently/effectively)...

it is because you are hungry...you should not be "starving" after 6 hours (let alone hungry after 4 hrs)...this to me, is an indication that your body is craving energy & is not getting it (or not getting enough) from your bodies fat stores, if it could, you would not be feeling hungry...& also you would be losing weight (losing fat actually)

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 6:25 AM

I am really only vlc so between 50-100g a day usually around 60-80g because I did some reading and found that it's suggested for weight loss. I know it's not done amazing things for my digestion, which I hope will improve and adjust. How do you tell if you have candida overgrowth? Do you think I am eating enough fats? @daz

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690 · March 21, 2014 at 4:24 AM

First of all...BMI is not a great metric especially for the well muscled. I suggest ignoring it!

Two people of the same height & the same weight have the same BMI.... couch potato or HIT enthusiest .

I recommend you take a look at http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/

Addtionally 27.5" / 30" gives you a waist to height ratio of ~.71, pretty much in the "sweet spot".

I think you're not losing weight because you don't "need to".

Although your hunger has me wondering...

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1197 · March 21, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Looking at your height, weight, and measurements, and considering that you are active, it might be that you are exactly where your body wants to be. I imagine you look fantastic, you are obviously strong and have energy. I get vanity, we all want to look good - but is it really worth it to you to sacrifice the quality of your life for a few pounds and inches? If it were a question of health, sure - we have to do what we have to do to get ourselves well. But I can't quite get behind someone who is healthy, energetic, and maybe just a few pounds overweight ( this is debatable - by whose standards are you too heavy / not lean enough? ) going this far. You are doing what, for most people, would cause weight loss. If you aren't losing, you should listen to your body and maybe consider being happy that you are healthy. If you can't do that, try cutting out your fruit. Maybe that will help.

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4458 · March 21, 2014 at 2:49 AM

i basically agree with you ivymcivy,

tho what is interesting is that she reports being hungry/starving all day (my interpretation), she writes "...I am actually really hungry for all of those snacks and meals."

ie. it seems that she cannot go that many hours without food without becoming hungry, which makes me think that her body is having a hard time accessing her fat stores for energy. Why this is...i do not know. But resolve that & everything else will likely fall in to place.

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0 · March 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Thanks everyone for responding. I am using Australian app My diet diary.. 2500 cals includes my activity so would obviously be lower without it. I am pretty active and on my feet 80% of the day.

I sleep really well averaging 8-8.5hrs a night undisturbed. I fall asleep really quickly, I wake up groggy I think my body would like 9 hours but that's just not really possible with my job, house work etc.

Average day calories macros etc

total - 1878cals

fat - 127g

carbs - 58g

protein- 92g

Trans fats - 0g

Saturated fat - 68g

cholesterol mg 778

Sodium - 1011mg

Net Carb g 41

Fiber - 16g

Sugar - 37g

Calcium % 27

Help :(

@daz

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:56 AM

if the diet app does not give detailed micronutrient info (minerals, vitamins, electrolytes etc), then plug all the info in to cronometer.com (my personal favorite)

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM

with cronometer, there are just a few tweaks you should do, to make a bit more info visible;

using the web version, got to the 'Profile' tab, then find the 'Nutritional Targets' section, then make every Nutrient visible, there is a checkbox on the far right column under the heading 'Visible'. repeat for each tab; general/vitamins/minerals/carbs/lipids/proteins

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0 · March 20, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Thanks for the tip! Awesome app! So I hit 95% of nutritional targets... The only ones that were lower than 100% was B1 at 90%, vitamin D 78%, calcium 58%, omega 3 85%, omega 6 47%

@daz

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0 · March 20, 2014 at 5:52 AM

I have tracked and it's around 2000 calories a day. Macros are 85grams or under for carbs, 100-120grams protein rest fat.. It says I can go up to 2500 for maintenance so surely 2000 would see some shift on the scales?

I wouldn't say 3 HIIT/weight workouts, one dance a walk and Pilates is exactly killing myself! I would say that's a pretty well rounded weekly exercise program?

I am really hungry at breakfast and have heard intermittent fasting can really play with female hormones (Sarah ballantyne and Stephanie Ruper both have issues with it) so I don't think it's really and option. Thing is I am actually really hungry for all of those snacks and meals.. I carry a bit of muscle so that might factor into it? @samc @daz @karbonbased

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:04 AM

which calculator are you using (got a link?), ~2500 sounds a bit on the high side for maintenance of ~152 pounds

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 8:02 AM

a few thoughts if you are feeling hungry/starving a lot;

- you are missing or low in some micronutrients, & until those needs are met you will feel hungry, have you plugged your diet in to cronometer (or similar) to see if you are missing something.

- you have chronically high levels of ghrelin (increases appetite & hunger) and/or low levels of leptin, this could be caused by bad sleep or lack of sleep (just read it in a health/fitness mag...so it must be true).

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208 · March 20, 2014 at 4:51 AM

MIght want to hold off on skipping meals while teaching. Wait until summer if you have the time off as it is a big change to inflict on you and the students. Too many meals and snacks were a problem for me as I tend to eat more that way. Now 2 meals in the 6-8 hour window and somedays I'll snack on an Apple. You should certainly track your calories for a week to see what you are really eating.

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4458 · March 20, 2014 at 4:43 AM

Try going without breakfast, it will be tough on day 1 as you are 'geared' to eating breakfast.

There will be quite a few benefits to this in your case...1) an extended (but not excessive) fast. 2) reduced daily calorie intake (as long as you don't try to compensate for all the missed calories). 3) no need to cook (& clean up) in the morning. 4) get to 'sleep-in' if you want (this may also benefit your weight loss goals if you are short on quality sleep). 5?) another potential benefit for some, is actually feeling less hungry in the mornings, breakfast can sometimes leave you craving for more food & you end up eating (or snacking) more throughout the day.

So you can eat at your morning break if you are hungry (breaking your fast), without any feelings of guilt that you are overeating. In fact you should feel mighty pleased with yourself that you are are ending a decent fast. (ps. i never eat breakfast myself). pps. No need to fast for more than 16 hours (imo), so as not to put undue stress on your body.

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15 · March 20, 2014 at 3:04 AM

@Rej82

My experience and opinion.

First reaction - That's a lot of food!

If I ate that everyday, I would maintain weight too if not gain.

Doesn't matter the diet, there is basic math about creating a calorie deficit and it is necessary for weight loss. What you are calling a snack would easily satisfy me for a meal.

You can train your body to require less food, by severely reducing carbs and sugars (cut the fruit out) and drinking water whenever you are hungry and drinking a full glass of water prior to any eating. Stop when full.

Additional tactics that can be very helpful:

- IF - seriously, goes hand in hand with reducing your appetite and becoming accustomed to less food

- Ketogenic Diet - This is a long commitment (possibly 4-6 weeks) but is IMO the absolute best way to get your body to burn stubborn fat as it is starved of the glucose it usually uses and resorts to body fat (great in combo with IF)

- Tracking EVERYTHING (necessary for Keto) - makes you aware of how much you are eating and calorie expendeture

Tricks to get there:

- Try eating an early dinner and then fast to lunch the next day

- If you cannot wait, limit eating to fats only

- You shouldn't have to be killing it in the gym like that and not getting results, it's about input.

- Dial back the workouts to correlate with reduced eating

Disclaimer:

- Keto is not for everyone and if you are going for muscle mass, be warned you probably will lose some of that too but to a lack of carbs for glycogen.

Hope that helps.

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