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Protein too high?

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Updated April 29, 2014 at 6:52 PM
Created March 05, 2014 at 3:32 AM

Hay guys and girls. Would love your opinion on protein intake on paleo. Currently I am taking in around 1 gram per lb of body-weight (roughly 180 on recommendations) however i feel this is to high due to not losing weight. All my carbs and fat are good, though could likely raise fats if lower protein. On this specific page with calculations it says I should be at around 120. http://paleodan.com/macronutrient-ratios/ - Fat comes to around 185grams. Quite high.

Have any of you noticed that if you really bring your protein down and increase fats, that it makes a big difference in weight loss? I'm thinking too low may also break down muscle but maybe not? It would be great to get your opinion.

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777 · April 29, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Here's a link to the book i read about the organs that are spared during a fast, it states that in a fast the skeletal muscles may lose as much as 40% of their weight but the heart only 3%, and the brain & nerves are spared completely

Its under the fasting chapter, page 250 onwards

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dcssshFW7REC&pg=PA250&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

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777 · March 06, 2014 at 2:51 PM

The fasting info quite likely would've been from Herbet M Shelton, and in a book rather than online. He went into details differentiating between fasting & starvation describing how the body starts to cannabalize itself after a certain period, and until then it preserves the organs especially the brain. I'll see if I can find it when I get home. Thanks for explaining how adding some carbs back can help, I wish I could but my energy is only stable when i'm VLC, had a sweet pot last night & today my energy levels are all over the place, maybe if I added them back daily...

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777 · March 06, 2014 at 2:38 PM

I've never down voted anything on here?

If you can tolerate them I think eating some tubers is great

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17013 · March 06, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Interesting, do you have any references (doesn't have to be studies) as to how the body differentiates between heart tissue and biceps? And yes, going higher carb prevents cortisol from being signalled for gluconeogenesis. If you're constantly in zero carb or too VLC, cortisol is high. When cortisol is high, your body hangs on to fat stores like it was made of gold. So if you go higher carb - say 50-100g/day, you'll paradoxically burn more fat than if you went to say 0-10g carbs/day.

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11682 · March 05, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Robert, you shouldn't have downvoted rawdawg's comment, because what he describes with ketosis and VLC, happened to me (and others). I was that type of Paleo for 2.5 years. My cortisol went off the roof, trigs off the roof, thryroid/adrenals issues. Problems went away with more carbs, when I finally listened to my body (which was starving for STARCH -- not sugar). In my experience, prolonged low carb works ok-ish for most men, but not for women. Women are supposed to be eating more starches.

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777 · March 05, 2014 at 5:55 PM

In a fasted state the body will definitely differentiate between the heart & the biceps, I've read a lot about fasting and the body spares the organs, in most cases up to 40 days, the brain being the last in the chain. Up carbs to lose weight?

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41297 · March 07, 2014 at 1:32 PM

180 grams of protein is a waste. Your body does not have the need for that quantity of amino acids and thus it ends up metabolizing amino acids for energy, a highly wasteful inefficient process.

Weight loss however is all about calories, not macronutrient amounts. One ratio or combination of foods may provide better satiety, but that's about it.

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17013 · March 05, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Why do you feel than 185g of fat is too high?

Yes, if you go very low carb and very low protein, you do increase fat loss for a short period of time. If you do this for too long, you raise cortisol levels and cause problems with stress and it reverses. Indeed, if you don't consume enough protein and carbs, cortisol will signal the break down of muscle to produce glucose by gluconeogenesis. Taken to an extrememe, keep in mind that the heart is a muscle and that gluconeogenesis and catabolism won't differentiate between your bicept and your heart. (This isn't to say that if you do this for a few days you'll damage your heart, more like if you do it for weeks on end.)

If you're trying to lean out, your best bet would be to go higher carb, and do intermittent fasting by just skipping breakfast and also working out fasted, then not doing a post workout meal for at least an hour after you're done working out.

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777 · March 05, 2014 at 5:55 PM

In a fasted state the body will definitely differentiate between the heart & the biceps, I've read a lot about fasting and the body spares the organs, in most cases up to 40 days, the brain being the last in the chain. Up carbs to lose weight?

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