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The Female Experience: Paleo and Weight loss

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Created February 07, 2011 at 1:03 AM

I'm getting the distinct impression that the weight loss results on a paleo diet are much more consistent for men than they are for women. For the other paleo ladies out there, what has been your experience? If merely restricting your diet to paleo-approved foods alone did not seem to help in weight loss, what further modifications worked for you? Did the diet just not work initially, or was it working, but then it stalled?

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0 · April 29, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Jenny, that's a wonderful answer and I agree completely with you about being happy with what your body naturally wants to weigh. I have struggled with this too and although I'm within a healthy weight range, always wanted to shed a few extra kilos. Now that I'm in my wise 40s I'm really focussing on how I feel and how my clothes fit. We just aren't all Miranda Kerr or Cameron Diaz. We're women doing the very best we can with what we've got and that should be enough. No more comparison to perfection, every woman has incredible beauty.

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0 · March 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I have no comment directly to what you're stating but it's my biggest concern as I embark! I do wish some others with experience had chimed in.

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0 · March 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM

What do you make of Ezekiel, Elijah, and others in the scriptures serving and eating bread? This is the biggie for me as I study Paleo. I've only been on it this week--it's making a lot of sense, but there is a lot to learn. And I still wonder about those in the Bible--if God said eat bread then...?

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0 · March 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM

I'm curious about the "Menopausal Middle," the thicker midsection we women get once we hit or finish going through Menopause. Did your waist get as slim as it was prior to Menopause or is that a life adjustment that every women has to deal with?

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723 · June 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I think that birth control pills are a major contribution to this problem with women not being able to lose weight. While I was on the pill, I was always unhappy with my progress despite all my hard work. Also, my appetite and cravings were uncontrollable.

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832 · June 09, 2013 at 3:00 AM

I hear ya. The difference this time for me is with Paleo is I actually believe in it to be the healthy way to eat. Believing in this health benefit is what keeps me Paleo. Hope that helps, and congrats on your success!

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53 · June 08, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I question whether she is really 10% bodyfat. There is a lot of variability in bodyfat testing depending on the test used (underwater weighing, bodypod, skin calipers) as well as in the operator

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1580 · June 08, 2013 at 3:38 PM

"Having a good body image and feeling comfortable in your own skin, whatever the weight, will give you a longer and fuller life than losing those "last 10 lbs" ever will" Absolutely. I used to be a coxswain and am now 10lbs over my coxing weight. It's SO hard for me to lose weight that I've just given up and accepted by body. It was much easier when I moved to the Middle East, because "skinny" isn't considered the ideal body here

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2954 · April 21, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Miat, it's possible. I remember I was very surprised that my sister and I weighted the same, were as tall as each other, but I was a size 8 and my sister a size 16. The difference is my body always had a lot of muscle. I had a lot of muscle all over my body, my legs and arms are chunky and muscular. 5 lbs of muscle looks much smaller than 5 lbs of fat. She didn't have much muscle at all, just fat, water, and bloating. All here we wight is on her tummy, all fat; her legs and arms are very skinny and flabby.

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3904 · April 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Helen, are you still on the board? I was just curious how many carbs you limited yourself to per day?

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5802 · April 15, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Ha, I just started doing this too! I was crossfitting fasted in the morning (2x a week), but walking at night. Decided to start doing the walking in the mornings in the fasted state. Glad to know it has some value. Thx for sharing.

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10 · April 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

And, he's 6'8" and under 180, we're eating healthier but he's obviously got different needs and a very different metabolism. I've seen him eat 4,000 calories in a day when he was at a higher weight. I definitely have stopped working on keeping his weight up, as I'm bringing mine down. I guess I should be working on him too! Our daughter is a 95% height 10% weight kid - oh well, I guess I should go buy some groceries.

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10 · April 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM

oops I was trying to answer another post.

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1232 · October 29, 2012 at 8:42 PM

"It's a shame that (to my knowledge) all of the leading paleo voices with relevant technical backgrounds are all males." Denise Minger.

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176 · August 24, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Same boat here, too. I IF during the day and follow the Perfect Health Diet for my evening meal. I had been strict paleo for a long time (and not getting anywhere, but sinking into a deep depression.) Adding the safe starches back in and IF has made a world of difference for me. (also limiting the nuts! lol) Great posts here.

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0 · July 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM

You dropped 5 sizes and only lost 30lbs? Were you working out and gaining muscle? 165 pounds at 5"8 seems way to small to be a size 16. I am 5"8 and my first GOAL weight is 165. I am also only a size 12 and hope to be a size 6-8 at 150-160. This seems off, I'm just checking. How much body fat % did you lose?

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1187 · July 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I have to stay vlc/zc too and I weigh and track my calories. I can't eat like the men and the margin for gaining is very slim. Thank you for keeping it real.

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159 · June 30, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I went through the same thing! I lost 15 lbs. on SAD while rowing 6 days a week (high school rowing) but felt completely terrible the entire time. After quitting rowing, I gained the weight back (plus more) but felt SO much better. Now that I'm on Paleo, I hope to become a lean, mean, healthy machine!

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3850 · June 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Have you considered that you might be overtraining?

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1716 · June 06, 2012 at 1:55 AM

just an addendum to this - When I eat dairy and/or drink wine, my body weight shoots up about 10kg and stays there. So strict paleo - maintain at 54kg Paleo with dairy + alcohol - maintain at 64

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321 · May 21, 2012 at 10:04 PM

As one further comment, I think Amy has it nailed - for women to maintain a lowish weight (especially in the 20-21 BMI range), paleo must be coupled with eliminating SOMETHING ELSE, whether that's nuts or fruits or starchy veggies. Hopefully not all three.

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321 · May 21, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I've had good success with various IF lengths, from 16 hours to 38. If you can do 24, you can definitely do 36+ - just go to bed and don't start eating right when you wake up! :-) I tried it a few times because I read that you get the good fasting benefits somewhere around 18-20 hours but that they just keep going until around 40 where things will slow down. Your mileage may vary.

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368 · May 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I have the same issue with my satiation switch - I can overeat on anything. My most recent binge is watermelon. (Because I gave up processed sugars.) I am fortunate enough not to regain much when I don't eat perfectly, though!

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1670 · May 15, 2012 at 12:01 AM

There's something for everyone, right? So what do you eat now?

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561 · April 24, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Did you glean any useful info from this survey? Would you be willing to offer tips from your research?

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1489 · April 16, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Have you had any improvements in the last year on your journey?

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3280 · February 01, 2012 at 7:42 AM

This is the first time Ive wished I could apply multiple upvotes. This is awesome; I hope more women and girls read this. Thank you!

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4163 · January 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Upvoted for complete awesomeness. This should be mandatory reading for all women, I got down to a BMI of 21 but I was miserable. MUCH happier in the 23-24 range.

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Haha, amen to the 5 lbs during "that" time- it always catches me by surprise like "where did this come from?" Oh what the body does for breeding!

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I think every woman is different. When I had an 18% body fat and size 2 pants, my period stopped completely, hair thinned, everything kind of just freaked out. So my question to you is, are you generalizing all woman or just bragging about a defined wife? Sorry, couldn't help twisting the last weird question you snuck in there.

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Yeah, when I was rowing we were working out 13 times a week, doing loads of weights and sprint work and ab work...never got flat lower abs. I think that some of us just can't. I didn't even have my period anymore, but my body still would not let that lower stomach go! I don't worry about it now, if it didn't budge then, it isn't going to budge now. My upper waist slimmed out a lot though on paleo, so that's nice! Apparently those several inches on the lower abdomen are somehow integral to my body structure as a future breeder though...

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12174 · June 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Noticed this morning that somebody downvoted this, which is kind of mindboggling: why downvote someone's personal struggle/conclusions about getting her body to lose weight? It's not like I said that everyone should eat lower carb all the time; only me when I have weight to lose.

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3014 · June 30, 2011 at 5:33 AM

What do you mean by the wrong target?

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5002 · June 30, 2011 at 1:51 AM

Great post: I've made the same observation, and supporting anecdotal evidence is all over the paleo-sphere. This is a topic that deserves systematic, technical treatment. It's a shame that (to my knowledge) all of the leading paleo voices with relevant technical backgrounds are all males. Thanks again for the post!

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18671 · June 16, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Wow, fascinating, Marie!

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78422 · June 16, 2011 at 1:11 AM

The fat. I think that's where some of us ladies are going wrong. I really need to up the fat. Would you or your wife be willing to share a typical day's meal with us PH ladies? I'm down to a size 0 jeans and obliques are coming in but there is some slight jiggle-leg going on.

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78422 · June 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Sure from what I've read but not from what I've seen. N I meant to comment earlier that all women Ive mentioned have normal menstrual cycles. Just feel bad cuz everyone is micro-managing n using fitday, etc. n struggling.

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12407 · June 15, 2011 at 7:57 PM

but a woman who drops under 15% usually stops having her period. there's nothing healthy about that. and what exactly are we making excuses for? a woman at 18-20% bodyfat is lean. 10% is dangerous by most standards.

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78422 · June 15, 2011 at 7:24 PM

I don't hold anyone to any standard but I don't make excuses either. Bottom line, very few are eating enough fat. If someone is happy with their appearance, I am happy for them. Now, I read somewhere that the paleo diet is ranked 20th out of 20....

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4873 · June 15, 2011 at 6:00 PM

And it isn't just Homo Sapiens! Back in the day, when I was conditioning horses, it was striking to me how quickly the stallions' body composition could be changed, relative to the mares. (And being someone who likes to see results, it was very frustrating to be assigned a mare as I knew I'd be spending 3-5x the amount of time and sweat to get 50% of the results.)

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12407 · June 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM

from what i've read, 10% bodyfat isn't normal for a healthy female. very few elite women athletes even get to that level of bodyfat and i think it's unrealistic to hold women to that standard.

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561 · May 30, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Amy, Great answer. This is really similar to my experience--I'm IF'ing 16-20 hours a day w/a 4-7 hour feed window. I'm also restricting calories. I actually feel so good when I'm not eating--almost high--I don't want to eat. Have you had any negative effects from your 24 hour fasts? I've always really enjoyed a 24 hr fast every now then for how clear and light I feel after. The digestive tract feels so clean and ready for food--and I swear my stomach acid is higher after a fast and thus I digest better thereafter.

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25467 · May 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I agree with the point that women have a tougher time.....but completely disagree its true on any type of diet. The reason is because we are aiming at the wrong target.

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11986 · May 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Late to the party. I laughed out loud at "I thought the zero carb people were nutters." I did too -- when I started reading theBear's thread over on ALC, not only did I think he was nuts, but dangerous. And here I am today, full ZC for almost two years. Our bodies don't have ideologies, only realities.

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172 · May 19, 2011 at 2:43 AM

One of the major differences, is we cycle, where as guys are the same all the time. Our cycling causes inflammation and with the changes in hormones causes temporary insulin resistance. So some times in our cycle we lose weight no problem, and others we could WOD all day long and eat 1 celery and gain weight!

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75 · May 16, 2011 at 4:28 PM

That is me too. I need to get rid of the sugars completely and nuts are a no, no for me.

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1902 · May 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Furthermore, dairy spikes insulin just like starchy veg/fruit does--I'd look at that before I'd look at age.

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1902 · May 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM

1 - On average, if you assume that people are like you, you'll often be right, and if you assume you're a unique snowflake, you'll often be wrong. That's how averages work. 2 - I was just offering a suggestion based on my own experiences and observations--that's what paleohacks is for.

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10 · May 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM

"If you're on paleo and not losing, my guess is that your diet is too fruit/starch-heavy" Never assume that others are like you - you'll be wrong most of the time. I don't eat fruit or starches but easily gain weight on paleo (and some dairy). Not sure how old you are, but I think young women may have a similar experience to men - easily losing weight. If you're not over 40 yet, let's see how that goes.

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799 · February 21, 2011 at 4:19 AM

Same here. OK, not that I'd want to wish this on anyone, but I was wondering if it was just me, so it's kind of nice to know I'm not alone.

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4086 · February 21, 2011 at 1:48 AM

in the same boat!

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18701 · February 21, 2011 at 1:39 AM

I know my satiety meter is broken too! It's much closer to normal than it used to be, but if I am eating non-Paleo foods than it REALLY doesn't work.

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4883 · February 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you and have you ever been pregnant?

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18701 · February 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Hey girl! I always had to really buckle down to lose, but maintenance is pretty easy. I would be tough for 12 week periods and usually lose about 10lbs each section.

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1510 · February 09, 2011 at 11:30 PM

last January ?

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1579 · February 09, 2011 at 2:36 AM

I would get your protein over your carbs. Cut down to 50g or less of carbs. It's surprising how many carbs veggies have and see how your body reacts. Most people can lose on 50-100g of carbs a day but others have to really cut them low.

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1579 · February 09, 2011 at 2:34 AM

FitDay.com It's free and it's a great tool. You can also use it from your phone.

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500 · February 08, 2011 at 6:19 PM

The month before I started zero carb, I tried zero carb... Plus salad greens. No weight lost. Being ZC, it's the first time in forever I've ever felt like stuffing my face is not the most appealing option. I like the food well enough, but when I'm done I'm done. I'm becoming one of those people who have leftovers :P

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418 · February 08, 2011 at 6:14 PM

wow that's quite the journey - hope you find some equilibrium on Paleo. Seems like a little bit of veg in needed though?

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4896 · February 08, 2011 at 2:05 AM

Shirley - It seems like your FM is much more severe than mine, unfortunately. I do have sometimes "all over pain", and am still very sensitive to acute pain and general touch, but most of it is gone, especially chronic fatigue is almost completely gone. No meds were helping (and i tried many), only the diet caused a drastic improvement. How long have you been on paleo? I hope it will improve with time for you too!

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429 · February 07, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Whoa! OLGA! You took my preferred screen name, so I used my nickname...But we have the same name (which is not common) and the same experience! I also have anxiety (esp. social anxiety) but do not take meds for it. So far, I have gained weight on paleo, though my clothes fit the same. Hopefully I gained muscle...

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892 · February 07, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Hi Lauren! I'm very close to where you are... 5'5", 156lbs, definite pear shape. I don't feel like I'm really qualified to give advice since I've never really had dramatic success, I just seem to gain a bit when I'm stressed and lose a bit when I'm strict and I track everything. I was really hoping that ditching the hormonal birth control last fall would finally make the difference, but no dice. I'm really tired of logging stuff though, so right now I'm focusing on upping my protein and cutting back on snacking. Good luck to you! and to me! :)

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1591 · February 07, 2011 at 3:52 PM

What software do you use for logging food?

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Well, you can see what I eat here: http://www.livestrong.com/profile/sherpamelissa/ but don't look at yesterday! LOL. That was a once in a great while splurge for our Super Bowl party. Generally, breakfast is 2 eggs + meat, snack is fruit and maybe nut butter, lunch is a stew or salad that I've made for the week (this week is a crockpot paleo stew) snack is a bastarized Paleo baked good and dinner is a 4/5 oz hunk of meat plus a sweet potato/zucchini/squash type thing and a cup of veggies w/ Kerrygold. Then I usually have 2 squares 85% dark choc + tea before bed.

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 6:08 AM

p.s. If I'm hungry for dessert, I make vanilla or vanilla and coconut panna cotta using heavy cream, sweetened with splenda. I always eat to satiety so that I'm not tempted to snack between meals, but then, eating this way, I'm amazed at how my appetite has diminished.

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 6:02 AM

A typical meal for me would have been (and still is) a good chunk of protein and fat, like a 2 or 3 chicken thighs w/skin or a chunk of rump roast with butter on it and a cup or so of low carb veggies like roasted green beans or brocolli or cauliflower, etc. with lots of butter on them on a bed of lettuce. I'm not strict paleo, so if I'm still hungry after a meal I eat a couple of ounces of hard cheese. I got a book of food counts that lists carb content of foods so that I would know how many carbs I was eating. It taught me which foods are a good carb bargain and which are not.

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3976 · February 07, 2011 at 5:09 AM

Yoannah, I have celiac disease and fibromyalgia, and after a good while, I've had very painful flare-ups over the last several days. I haven't been able to figure out the culprits. I thought I was getting loose about not including D-ribose, but I was also being slack about taking lactose enzymes with milk products, but that I haven't had much with milk products in the last few days, so it's hard to blame it on that. I wake up in serious pain, take all of my stuff (glandular complexes, tramadol and other stuff) & feel lousy until late afternoon when the pain goes away, but comes back in the am

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799 · February 07, 2011 at 4:10 AM

Paleo has not been the "magic bullet" for me on weight loss. I suspect a large part of that is my alcohol consumption (though Martin Berkhan says otherwise). However, my overall satiety is much better with higher fat over carbs, so I feel pretty good about that.

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1471 · February 07, 2011 at 3:26 AM

HElen, would you care to share some of your meals from your low carb/paleo when you were losing?

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1471 · February 07, 2011 at 3:02 AM

can you elaborate on your meals. What is your basic go to for a week or so?

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 2:58 AM

I have much more energy eating this way than the SAD way, too.

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1591 · February 07, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Added "women" tag.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 2:15 AM

Thanks awesome Yoannah, that your FM has improved so much!

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 2:14 AM

I think it's the type of carbs we are eating too, instead of the bread and other crap, it's fruits/veggie carbs.

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1617 · February 07, 2011 at 1:56 AM

I think paleo kinda reset my carb metabolism, which is really nice. I can eat well over 100g and maintain. Still gotta lower them to lose though. :)

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4896 · February 07, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I also struggle with fibromyalgia, and changing the diet changed amazingly! but I have severe anxiety and at the moment I am happy with the help I get from the medicine (i take wellbutrin and cylaxa). I hope I will be able to gradually reduce it over the next couple years, to stop completely. But I am not crazy to stop too much right away! I feel amazing on paleo, my FM has almost disappeared. Weight is a minor problem.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:42 AM

I used to take anxiety meds. I've been on wellbutrin and effexor and xanax. I don't take anything now! I know it's not for everyone, but losing weight and taking charge of my fitness really helped. When I find myself getting anxious or nervous, I normally just need to get out of the house and exercise. I find that making myself find the "trigger" and working out that problem really helps.

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1510 · February 07, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Did you want to tell us about your experience, Arsy?

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1510 · February 07, 2011 at 1:39 AM

"I haven't lost much, and my body weight seems to live its own life unrelated to the food I eat" ---> exactly! I'm having the same experience. I'm also dealing with anxiety, although mostly without meds, and I wonder if it's all the cortisol that screws us over

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Yes, lowering the carbs is what I think made the difference for me! I am still fairly high for some Paleos at 75 grams, but it is lower than what I was consuming before, plus I think it is helping with the water retention.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:24 AM

I dropped my blood pressure meds since going Paleo too! Next I hope to drop the water retention/edema meds. It's both exciting and scary.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:23 AM

I should have mentioned that I lost most of my weight eating SAD, but on a high protein/high fiber/moderate carb program I created myself. I never watched fat. Adding in fat has been an interesting mental experience. I still eat 3 meals/3 snacks because I come from an eating disordered background and do best if I don't let myself get hungry at all.

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Weight is such a pain to track, which is why I've stopped :) I think I'm around 150 lbs, around 5"4, but I feel 100% better than when I was in my "normal" BMI at 125 lbs. At 125 lbs, I stopped getting my period and starting losing my hair (it was crazy thin). Sure, I was really fit (lightweight rower in university), but it was uncomfortable to sit and I had to nap twice a day (noon and 4pm). I was eating so many calories to keep up with my workouts, but I just couldn't get on top of it. It sucked, because I didn't look that "thin" (rowing once a day every day of the week, then weights 6 days a week on top of that) and never had a completely flat stomach, but everything just wasn't working properly. My body fat was at 18% when we got tested, which isn't even that low, but for me it was low enough to stop the period and feel terrible. I became quite depressed, and was abruptly taken off the team after the coach found out about some surgeries (apparently if you've had more than one heart surgery you aren't supposed to compete at a varsity level for any sport in my university). I quickly gained weight, and settled to where I am now. Allowing myself to gain weight was the nicest thing, it was like going through puberty all over again, just in my 20's- my boobs got waaaaay bigger, my hips expanded, my period came back, my skin improved, my hair was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay (way way) thicker, and my mood improved leaps and bounds!!!! During that time when I was gaining weight was some of my best moods ever, and my mood remains very stable to this day.

My weight has gone up and down over the years- up when I was on SSRIs, down when I was rowing, and up when I stopped rowing, and I always feel better when I ere on the side of a "larger" me- I like having big hips, a little waist, and thick hair. I'm petite as is, and have always admired little, curvy, strong women (like my fit little mother). So many of my friends struggle to get themselves into that healthy BMI range, but never ask themselves if they feel better once they are there. Are they able to do more and feel better? Great, then keep that weight!! Do they feel weaker and less energetic? Maybe a few pounds could help with that. There is no "ideal" weight mold that fits for everyone, and you as long as you feel healthy, than as far as I'm concerned you ARE healthy. Having a good body image and feeling comfortable in your own skin, whatever the weight, will give you a longer and fuller life than losing those "last 10 lbs" ever will.

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This is the first time Ive wished I could apply multiple upvotes. This is awesome; I hope more women and girls read this. Thank you!

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Upvoted for complete awesomeness. This should be mandatory reading for all women, I got down to a BMI of 21 but I was miserable. MUCH happier in the 23-24 range.

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159 · June 30, 2012 at 4:57 AM

I went through the same thing! I lost 15 lbs. on SAD while rowing 6 days a week (high school rowing) but felt completely terrible the entire time. After quitting rowing, I gained the weight back (plus more) but felt SO much better. Now that I'm on Paleo, I hope to become a lean, mean, healthy machine!

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1580 · June 08, 2013 at 3:38 PM

"Having a good body image and feeling comfortable in your own skin, whatever the weight, will give you a longer and fuller life than losing those "last 10 lbs" ever will" Absolutely. I used to be a coxswain and am now 10lbs over my coxing weight. It's SO hard for me to lose weight that I've just given up and accepted by body. It was much easier when I moved to the Middle East, because "skinny" isn't considered the ideal body here

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Jenny, that's a wonderful answer and I agree completely with you about being happy with what your body naturally wants to weigh. I have struggled with this too and although I'm within a healthy weight range, always wanted to shed a few extra kilos. Now that I'm in my wise 40s I'm really focussing on how I feel and how my clothes fit. We just aren't all Miranda Kerr or Cameron Diaz. We're women doing the very best we can with what we've got and that should be enough. No more comparison to perfection, every woman has incredible beauty.

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12174 · February 21, 2011 at 1:09 AM

I will say (and this echos others' contributions) that while I FEEL loads better sans grains or sugar, to lose weight steadily I need to:

  • Eat VLC or ZC - even not eat fruits, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, honey, etc.
  • Consciously stop eating before I want to, even on fats and protein. Paleo proponents often tout paleo as a lifestyle where you can eat ad libitum, but my satiation switch has long been mangled, doused in gasoline, and lit with a match. In other words, I have to depend on objective limits rather than subjective limits to determine whether I've had enough.

When I don't do either of these, I stall or, worse, regain.

I feel compelled to say, while giving up wheat generally represented one day of pain for me last summer, in the months since, giving up sugars, starches, and fructose remains a daily battle that sometimes I win, and sometimes I lose.

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18701 · February 21, 2011 at 1:39 AM

I know my satiety meter is broken too! It's much closer to normal than it used to be, but if I am eating non-Paleo foods than it REALLY doesn't work.

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4086 · February 21, 2011 at 1:48 AM

in the same boat!

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799 · February 21, 2011 at 4:19 AM

Same here. OK, not that I'd want to wish this on anyone, but I was wondering if it was just me, so it's kind of nice to know I'm not alone.

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12174 · June 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Noticed this morning that somebody downvoted this, which is kind of mindboggling: why downvote someone's personal struggle/conclusions about getting her body to lose weight? It's not like I said that everyone should eat lower carb all the time; only me when I have weight to lose.

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368 · May 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I have the same issue with my satiation switch - I can overeat on anything. My most recent binge is watermelon. (Because I gave up processed sugars.) I am fortunate enough not to regain much when I don't eat perfectly, though!

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1187 · July 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I have to stay vlc/zc too and I weigh and track my calories. I can't eat like the men and the margin for gaining is very slim. Thank you for keeping it real.

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176 · August 24, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Same boat here, too. I IF during the day and follow the Perfect Health Diet for my evening meal. I had been strict paleo for a long time (and not getting anywhere, but sinking into a deep depression.) Adding the safe starches back in and IF has made a world of difference for me. (also limiting the nuts! lol) Great posts here.

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18671 · February 07, 2011 at 4:23 AM

It's not just Paleo. In general, women have a notoriously harder time losing weight on any kind of diet. I think it's a matter of hormones.

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One of the major differences, is we cycle, where as guys are the same all the time. Our cycling causes inflammation and with the changes in hormones causes temporary insulin resistance. So some times in our cycle we lose weight no problem, and others we could WOD all day long and eat 1 celery and gain weight!

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25467 · May 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I agree with the point that women have a tougher time.....but completely disagree its true on any type of diet. The reason is because we are aiming at the wrong target.

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4873 · June 15, 2011 at 6:00 PM

And it isn't just Homo Sapiens! Back in the day, when I was conditioning horses, it was striking to me how quickly the stallions' body composition could be changed, relative to the mares. (And being someone who likes to see results, it was very frustrating to be assigned a mare as I knew I'd be spending 3-5x the amount of time and sweat to get 50% of the results.)

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Wow, fascinating, Marie!

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3014 · June 30, 2011 at 5:33 AM

What do you mean by the wrong target?

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723 · June 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I think that birth control pills are a major contribution to this problem with women not being able to lose weight. While I was on the pill, I was always unhappy with my progress despite all my hard work. Also, my appetite and cravings were uncontrollable.

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290 · February 20, 2011 at 6:42 PM

I began Paleo at 125 lbs in December of 2009 but by April of 2010 I lost 25% of my body weight and weighed in at 107 lbs. By May I was at 103, and at my lowest I weighed in at 97 lbs. I'm a 5'1ish girl who has always been athletic, however what kicked up my weight loss was by eliminating dairy, gluten, legumes, and introducing paleo-friendly meals such as boiled chicken and steamed broccoli, grilled bison steaks etc. Also, I began moving more (walking more, cross fitting, yoga) - just added movement to my day in tandem with eating clean and wholesome foods ignited and has kept the furnace of a burning metabolism going strong.

At my lowest (98 lbs) I was at around 8% body fat which by all means was too thin for my frame. I did not feel at my best, so I stopped myself from potentially entering the "faileo" diet zone by getting over the fear of 'fat' and enjoying the delicious taste of chicken thighs, nitrate-free bacon, avocados, full fat coconut milk, etc. Currently, I'm at 100-101 lbs with an average body fat of 12% which has put me at my best. I have great energy, clear skin, mental clarity, greater endurance, and a solid and muscular physique! I rarely get sick and if I do, it is a result of some gastro-irritants but that's mainly because I just can't get enough of broccoli.

I also practice a solid routine of Intermittent Fasting (IF) - sometimes going a full 24 hours without food, but once the fast is broken I eat and I eat well! When I workout, I do so in a fasted state and once I'm done, I typically ride out the post workout high for an hour or 2 before re-feeding. I don't eat breakfast, but do enjoy a nice hearty lunch and smaller dinner.

When I felt the need to "up" my fat loss, I cut back on eating high sugar foods like carrots, sweet potatoes, fruits, etc. I don't eat much fruit now nor do I eat carrots, but if I am out dining with friends or family I won't shy away from indulging the sweet treat. Speaking of sweets - no sugar, no chocolate, and nuts. Nuts to me are 'dangerous' because I could and have gone to town on a whole container of them in one sitting. To avoid this pitfall, I simply don't eat them.

I supplement with 4 fish oils a day (2 at each meal) and if I am out and eat high Omega 6 rich foods, I will take a teaspoon of Carlson's Cod liver oil post mealtime. For feminine issues like bloating, PMS, and all that jazz associated with hormones I take an evening primrose oil supplement daily. That little gem has helped dealing with the monthly side effects of being a lady a lot.

All in all weight loss is not concrete - it fluctuates like the temperature outside. Like temperature it is just a number. Seriously, try not to sweat it. What you should be focusing on is how you feel and how you're clothes fit - stuff like that. Numbers will only drive you insane. Go out there and get wild! :)

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Amy, Great answer. This is really similar to my experience--I'm IF'ing 16-20 hours a day w/a 4-7 hour feed window. I'm also restricting calories. I actually feel so good when I'm not eating--almost high--I don't want to eat. Have you had any negative effects from your 24 hour fasts? I've always really enjoyed a 24 hr fast every now then for how clear and light I feel after. The digestive tract feels so clean and ready for food--and I swear my stomach acid is higher after a fast and thus I digest better thereafter.

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As one further comment, I think Amy has it nailed - for women to maintain a lowish weight (especially in the 20-21 BMI range), paleo must be coupled with eliminating SOMETHING ELSE, whether that's nuts or fruits or starchy veggies. Hopefully not all three.

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321 · May 21, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I've had good success with various IF lengths, from 16 hours to 38. If you can do 24, you can definitely do 36+ - just go to bed and don't start eating right when you wake up! :-) I tried it a few times because I read that you get the good fasting benefits somewhere around 18-20 hours but that they just keep going until around 40 where things will slow down. Your mileage may vary.

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500 · February 08, 2011 at 6:09 PM

I had to drop all the carbs from my diet to start seeing steady significant loss. I was paleo starting Feb '10, and it took me all that year to get off 20 pounds. I would constantly be going up and down, and I still had some appetite issues even strict no dairy paleo. I thought the zero carb people were nutters, but I went full carni in January and I've lost another 12 since then.

I'm essentially ZC or VLC, I don't count calories or weigh anything, but I try to estimate to 75% fat. I eat eggs, bacon, grassfed butter and cheese, heavy cream, beef, lamb... The only plants I eat are herbs. I'm just one of those weirdos who stops losing weight even with a bit of green veg.

Mind, I was vegetarian for 5 years, raw vegan 2 years, and fruitarian 1 year. And I'm not yet 21. I essentially went from 115lbs to 230 eating tofu and broccoli, and then tried to shift that weight starving myself with watermelon and lettuce with no avail, so I'm betting my body is still reeling a bit.

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418 · February 08, 2011 at 6:14 PM

wow that's quite the journey - hope you find some equilibrium on Paleo. Seems like a little bit of veg in needed though?

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500 · February 08, 2011 at 6:19 PM

The month before I started zero carb, I tried zero carb... Plus salad greens. No weight lost. Being ZC, it's the first time in forever I've ever felt like stuffing my face is not the most appealing option. I like the food well enough, but when I'm done I'm done. I'm becoming one of those people who have leftovers :P

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11986 · May 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Late to the party. I laughed out loud at "I thought the zero carb people were nutters." I did too -- when I started reading theBear's thread over on ALC, not only did I think he was nuts, but dangerous. And here I am today, full ZC for almost two years. Our bodies don't have ideologies, only realities.

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2153 · February 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM

I have to cut out carbs, nuts and fruit to loose weight. To loose effectively, I have to be in a state similar to the Atkins induction phase. Its really annoying but I've come to terms with it. The moment I start drinking alcohol, eating fruit or carbs it all piles back on. I haven't gotten down to my goal weight yet so I can't go into a maintenance phase yet.

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18701 · February 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Hey girl! I always had to really buckle down to lose, but maintenance is pretty easy. I would be tough for 12 week periods and usually lose about 10lbs each section.

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That is me too. I need to get rid of the sugars completely and nuts are a no, no for me.

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173 · June 13, 2012 at 6:43 PM

What I find works for me is: 1-A bigger high fat/low carb breakfast: eggs, heavy cream, full fat sausage 2-Reduce stress. 3-Take 1 or 2 15min "sun breaks" during my work day 4-Focus on eating meals slower & chewing fully

No diet without the above works for me. I think stress hormones might undermine women's weightloss in a way that it doesn't for a man?

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 2:57 AM

I lost 50lbs by going low-carb/paleo...it was amazing because the weight just fell off of me without exercise...and it took about 1 year for the weight to come off. Now that I am back near my best weight, I have added exercise into the mix. At this point I am not really interested in losing more weight, although that might happen...I am more interested in building muscle and firming up. I am 54 years old, 5'8" tall and wear a size 8 jeans. Going paleo/low-carb is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.

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p.s. If I'm hungry for dessert, I make vanilla or vanilla and coconut panna cotta using heavy cream, sweetened with splenda. I always eat to satiety so that I'm not tempted to snack between meals, but then, eating this way, I'm amazed at how my appetite has diminished.

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1471 · February 07, 2011 at 3:26 AM

HElen, would you care to share some of your meals from your low carb/paleo when you were losing?

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 6:02 AM

A typical meal for me would have been (and still is) a good chunk of protein and fat, like a 2 or 3 chicken thighs w/skin or a chunk of rump roast with butter on it and a cup or so of low carb veggies like roasted green beans or brocolli or cauliflower, etc. with lots of butter on them on a bed of lettuce. I'm not strict paleo, so if I'm still hungry after a meal I eat a couple of ounces of hard cheese. I got a book of food counts that lists carb content of foods so that I would know how many carbs I was eating. It taught me which foods are a good carb bargain and which are not.

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3904 · April 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Helen, are you still on the board? I was just curious how many carbs you limited yourself to per day?

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I'm curious about the "Menopausal Middle," the thicker midsection we women get once we hit or finish going through Menopause. Did your waist get as slim as it was prior to Menopause or is that a life adjustment that every women has to deal with?

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40 · June 15, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Just so the gainers know they're not alone...

I'm 5'2'' 114 pounds. I gained 5 pounds on Paleo for the 30 days I was on it and felt sluggish and tired. I went from taking in about 50 grams of carbs to about 20 grams, but it still didn't help and I kept gaining. I also experienced a lot of stomach issues and, if you can believe it, broke into rashes and hives quite frequently (I think I developed an egg allergy).

My background: Been lacto-vegetarian for 6 years (on Paleo I introduced fish and eggs). I've been off processed food and eating a 'real food' diet for the past 2 years (I lost about 5 pounds effortlessly just making that switch. I've never had problems with energy and have always been very active, weight lifting and doing light cardio at the the gym about 4-5 times per week, taking yoga, ballet and biking to work on top of it.

When went Paleo I found I couldn't keep up my active lifestyle anymore. I was tired at the gym and ended my workouts early quite frequently (though I did cut back on how often I was going).

Since then, I switched back to my regular diet and my energy levels came back up and I effortlessly dropped the 5 pounds I had gained (actually in just a matter of days).

Your mileage may vary.

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1670 · May 15, 2012 at 12:01 AM

There's something for everyone, right? So what do you eat now?

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2854 · February 07, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Weight loss hasn't been a specific goal of mine, and eating a standard dairy-free paleo diet kept me at 123lbs (I'm 5'7") for the first few years of the diet. Last September I cut out all carbs except leafy greens (for digestive issues) and got down to 110lbs- actually below where I want to be, a problem I never thought I'd have! I've added in waaay more fat and stopped running (due to a busy schedule), and I'm back up to 120. So I conclude... Weight loss is mainly in the carb count, and healthy maintenance is in good amounts of fat.

update: When I wrote this post I had amenorrhea, and now that I am menstruating again, I shot up to 130lbs without trying- hormones are a huge role in female body composition!

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799 · February 07, 2011 at 4:10 AM

Paleo has not been the "magic bullet" for me on weight loss. I suspect a large part of that is my alcohol consumption (though Martin Berkhan says otherwise). However, my overall satiety is much better with higher fat over carbs, so I feel pretty good about that.

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3946 · February 07, 2011 at 2:20 AM

I did not lose weight initially, but of course my husband did, and he didn't need to! Now he is struggling to gain the weight back and hasn't had any luck so far.

Even though I did not lose weight, I didn't gain anything and it was great not to be hungry and not to count calories at all. To lose weight on Paleo, I had to restrict my carbs Atkins Induction Style (but strict Paleo diet) by limiting myself to under 20 net carbs per day (no nuts or fruit). That's when I finally started losing. It really sucks to go Paleo and not lose weight, but now I am looking forward to the day when I can eat nuts and fruit again without gaining.

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1716 · February 07, 2011 at 1:41 AM

I have to restrict calories in order to lose any weight. However I won't put on weight and can maintain easily without watching calories and eating to satiation. Strict paleo, no dairy. Also, my bodyweight fluctuates by about 5 pounds depending on the time of the month ;)

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4883 · February 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you and have you ever been pregnant?

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Haha, amen to the 5 lbs during "that" time- it always catches me by surprise like "where did this come from?" Oh what the body does for breeding!

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1716 · June 06, 2012 at 1:55 AM

just an addendum to this - When I eat dairy and/or drink wine, my body weight shoots up about 10kg and stays there. So strict paleo - maintain at 54kg Paleo with dairy + alcohol - maintain at 64

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4896 · February 07, 2011 at 1:25 AM

I haven't lost much, and my body weight seems to live its own life unrelated to the food I eat ;-) Or so it seems sometimes. I blame it on the anti-anxiety meds I take, though, as I put on 30Ibs on one them. But I don't really care much, I feel great so I am fine with the bit of extra fat I carry around. I know my muscles got MUCH better, stronger and more defined. The fat will go away when it's ready. I think I should lose around 20-30Ibs (I am not sure, I haven't weighted myself in months).

To me it was more important I recently bit my high school athletic team kids in push ups. no fat will upset me now ;-) (we were doing our version of the "Presidential Fitness Test" in our school as a part of wellness day)

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3976 · February 07, 2011 at 5:09 AM

Yoannah, I have celiac disease and fibromyalgia, and after a good while, I've had very painful flare-ups over the last several days. I haven't been able to figure out the culprits. I thought I was getting loose about not including D-ribose, but I was also being slack about taking lactose enzymes with milk products, but that I haven't had much with milk products in the last few days, so it's hard to blame it on that. I wake up in serious pain, take all of my stuff (glandular complexes, tramadol and other stuff) & feel lousy until late afternoon when the pain goes away, but comes back in the am

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4896 · February 07, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I also struggle with fibromyalgia, and changing the diet changed amazingly! but I have severe anxiety and at the moment I am happy with the help I get from the medicine (i take wellbutrin and cylaxa). I hope I will be able to gradually reduce it over the next couple years, to stop completely. But I am not crazy to stop too much right away! I feel amazing on paleo, my FM has almost disappeared. Weight is a minor problem.

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429 · February 07, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Whoa! OLGA! You took my preferred screen name, so I used my nickname...But we have the same name (which is not common) and the same experience! I also have anxiety (esp. social anxiety) but do not take meds for it. So far, I have gained weight on paleo, though my clothes fit the same. Hopefully I gained muscle...

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Shirley - It seems like your FM is much more severe than mine, unfortunately. I do have sometimes "all over pain", and am still very sensitive to acute pain and general touch, but most of it is gone, especially chronic fatigue is almost completely gone. No meds were helping (and i tried many), only the diet caused a drastic improvement. How long have you been on paleo? I hope it will improve with time for you too!

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 2:15 AM

Thanks awesome Yoannah, that your FM has improved so much!

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1510 · February 07, 2011 at 1:39 AM

"I haven't lost much, and my body weight seems to live its own life unrelated to the food I eat" ---> exactly! I'm having the same experience. I'm also dealing with anxiety, although mostly without meds, and I wonder if it's all the cortisol that screws us over

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:42 AM

I used to take anxiety meds. I've been on wellbutrin and effexor and xanax. I don't take anything now! I know it's not for everyone, but losing weight and taking charge of my fitness really helped. When I find myself getting anxious or nervous, I normally just need to get out of the house and exercise. I find that making myself find the "trigger" and working out that problem really helps.

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I lost 30lbs this past year, went from a size 16 to 6. I'm 5'8" and now weigh 135lbs. I followed the paleo/primal meal plan along with exercise a minimum of 3 days a week. I lost my last 5lbs by kicking up the cardio ... for me that was learning how to run. I've been able to maintain my weight and also reduce medications for diabetes, blood pressure, cholesteral and migraines by 85%. :)

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:24 AM

I dropped my blood pressure meds since going Paleo too! Next I hope to drop the water retention/edema meds. It's both exciting and scary.

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You dropped 5 sizes and only lost 30lbs? Were you working out and gaining muscle? 165 pounds at 5"8 seems way to small to be a size 16. I am 5"8 and my first GOAL weight is 165. I am also only a size 12 and hope to be a size 6-8 at 150-160. This seems off, I'm just checking. How much body fat % did you lose?

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2954 · April 21, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Miat, it's possible. I remember I was very surprised that my sister and I weighted the same, were as tall as each other, but I was a size 8 and my sister a size 16. The difference is my body always had a lot of muscle. I had a lot of muscle all over my body, my legs and arms are chunky and muscular. 5 lbs of muscle looks much smaller than 5 lbs of fat. She didn't have much muscle at all, just fat, water, and bloating. All here we wight is on her tummy, all fat; her legs and arms are very skinny and flabby.

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1902 · February 09, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I wasn't trying to lose weight when I went paleo, but I did, effortlessly and immediately (which is odd for me--pre-paleo, I had to watch my calories like a hawk to maintain my weight, which was incredibly stressful and depressing). I was about 115 lbs (I'm 5' 3") when I started, and was down to 105 in a month (it's worth noting that I completely stopped counting calories). If you're on paleo and not losing, my guess is that your diet is too fruit/starch-heavy. Try trading in things like fruit, squash, and sweet potatoes for high-fiber, low-sugar/starch veggies for a while and see what happens.

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1902 · May 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM

1 - On average, if you assume that people are like you, you'll often be right, and if you assume you're a unique snowflake, you'll often be wrong. That's how averages work. 2 - I was just offering a suggestion based on my own experiences and observations--that's what paleohacks is for.

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1902 · May 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Furthermore, dairy spikes insulin just like starchy veg/fruit does--I'd look at that before I'd look at age.

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10 · May 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM

"If you're on paleo and not losing, my guess is that your diet is too fruit/starch-heavy" Never assume that others are like you - you'll be wrong most of the time. I don't eat fruit or starches but easily gain weight on paleo (and some dairy). Not sure how old you are, but I think young women may have a similar experience to men - easily losing weight. If you're not over 40 yet, let's see how that goes.

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2261 · February 08, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I switched to Paleo because it made sense to me. I wanted to maintain long term health. As a result I lost 12 pounds. My mom NEEDS to lose weight due to her emphesema and she has had success with Paleo eating.

It seems to me, the more fat I eat the more weight I lose. So, to make my family happy, I delibertly think about adding in more healthy carbs, so I can stop losing weight. I am 45 years, 5'4" and weigh 118.

Food is very important to me, but now I don't think about it that often because I am satiated & nourished. When I do eat, I strive for the most nutrient dense foods. Its really quite easy to be Paleo.

By the way, for example: I use heavy cream (with a bit of coffee or in tea) butter, grass fed beef, pastured eggs, some veggies, little to no fruit (once a week). No sugar or processed foods if I can avoid it. I am not 100% perfect all the time. Traveling is the worse time for me.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:09 AM

I lost the last 10lbs I needed to lose once I switched to Paleo and dropped by body fat by about 7% in just a month. I am 5'2" and 136lbs with approximately 24% body fat. This puts me just in the "normal" range for my height. I am extremely happy with my fitness and body composition right now.

I did watch my calories and ratios as well as eating lacto-Paleo. I kept my calories to 1200 and keep my fat at around 50% and my carbs and protein at 75 grams each.

As I switched to maintenance I raised my calories to 1350, then up to 1500 while keeping my ratios the same. I have been able to maintain my 110lb weight loss for the last 3 months while keeping this protocol.

I do 20/30 minutes of HIIT intervals/CrossFit three days a week. I've been doing this amount of exercise for the last year.

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1471 · February 07, 2011 at 3:02 AM

can you elaborate on your meals. What is your basic go to for a week or so?

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:23 AM

I should have mentioned that I lost most of my weight eating SAD, but on a high protein/high fiber/moderate carb program I created myself. I never watched fat. Adding in fat has been an interesting mental experience. I still eat 3 meals/3 snacks because I come from an eating disordered background and do best if I don't let myself get hungry at all.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Well, you can see what I eat here: http://www.livestrong.com/profile/sherpamelissa/ but don't look at yesterday! LOL. That was a once in a great while splurge for our Super Bowl party. Generally, breakfast is 2 eggs + meat, snack is fruit and maybe nut butter, lunch is a stew or salad that I've made for the week (this week is a crockpot paleo stew) snack is a bastarized Paleo baked good and dinner is a 4/5 oz hunk of meat plus a sweet potato/zucchini/squash type thing and a cup of veggies w/ Kerrygold. Then I usually have 2 squares 85% dark choc + tea before bed.

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300 · February 01, 2012 at 2:51 AM

I'll fill out a complete account at a later date but for me, weight loss has been achieved with one key word that seems to set all my ducks in a row: SLEEP

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39841 · February 07, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Men and post-menopausal women are far more sensitive to the lipogenic effects of fructose. The elimination of it from the diet of an estrogen-producing female will have a much less drastic effects. My gut feeling is that an increase in activity is far more important for weight loss among these females.

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30 · February 07, 2011 at 1:32 AM

I would suggest keeping a food log of what you are eating for a week. I would really focus on how many grams of protein you are taking in. Robb Wolf suggests .5-1 gram per a lb of body weight. I do about .85 per a lb of body weight. Make sure you are getting in enough protein and then filling the rest of your diet with healthy fats and veggies. Here are some more paleo weight loss tips:

http://www.30daysofpaleo.com/my-blog/2011/01/new-years-resolution-paleo-tips-.html

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1510 · February 07, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Did you want to tell us about your experience, Arsy?

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10 · August 04, 2013 at 4:47 AM

I will start my Paleo new lifestyle on Monday. I have struggled with my weight all of my adult life, and have tried any diet under the sun and almost all weight loss supplements...My results? I gain the weight back plus.

As of this morning I weigh in at 184 pounds; at 5'2" I am considered morbidly obese.

Well, wish me luck!!

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1981 · April 15, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Cutting out plant fats and starch for a while works really well for me, as well as fasted walks in the early morning.

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5802 · April 15, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Ha, I just started doing this too! I was crossfitting fasted in the morning (2x a week), but walking at night. Decided to start doing the walking in the mornings in the fasted state. Glad to know it has some value. Thx for sharing.

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10 · October 29, 2012 at 7:41 PM

There must just be a difference in how certain bodies process foods metabolically because I've listened to every Paleo podcast known to man -- Robb Wolf, Jimmy Moore, Sara Fragoso, any interview with Loren Cordain or by Abel James, Nora Gedgaudus, etcetera, etcetera -- and I BELIEVED all the hype about ketogenic diets for weight loss. After 18 years of eating a mostly vegan diet and bearing 4 healthy children, I decided to radically change my diet to lose those pesky 15-20 lbs I couldn't seem to lose. So I began to eat a high fat, moderate protein, very low carb diet --Ketogenic. After only THREE weeks, I'd gained so much weight, I couldn't fit into any of my jeans (or I could, but I felt like a stuffed sausage!). Immediately, I began damage control, reverting back to my old vegan diet, plus paying better attention to portion control and calorie count. Presto! After two weeks, I was losing weight! I will never ever ever join the ranks of the Paleo/VLC movement or I will become a blimp with ZERO energy! I believe everyone on these posts who lauds the ketogenic/VLC diet for losing weight; only it definitely did NOT work for me!! There must just be a difference between the way my body metabolizes macronutrients versus the way, say, Jimmy Moore does (who has had stupendous success with weight loss through a ketogenic diet).

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I have no comment directly to what you're stating but it's my biggest concern as I embark! I do wish some others with experience had chimed in.

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1169 · August 19, 2012 at 7:49 AM

I have had no problems taking out brown basmati rice (my only carbv of that kind) but I don't lose weight because I can easily eat 1000 calories of pecan nuts or almonds a sitting.

I suspect in evolutionary terms women were/are superior to men in that was can store fat and we need it as we make babies etc. So what was good then for 2 million years is not quite so good now when we won't be in times of famine very often these days.

I have always even as a child much preferred the protein and fat in any meal to anything else with it - typical meal as a child would be boiled pototoes and meat and some veg. and I could eat as much meat as I was given and more.

As a lot of women have said above fruit is probably the problem here. It is good for us and I think we need some and my body feels so good with it BUT unlike when I go in the garden to pick the wild blackberries and get only a mere handful, now we can buy as much as we can afford the portions are much larger and the cultured fruits much sweeter than traditionally are. Lack of will power over fruit is a problem.

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10 · May 14, 2012 at 11:32 PM

I am 46 years old, and have been doing crossfit for about 2 years. I work out 4-5 days a week, doing one boxing class along with the crossfit. I am 5'2" and weigh about 160. I am strong, so I try to remember that the scale number doesn't mean that much. But, I have had three children and my belly is flabby. I am just starting to transition into as paleo a diet as I can muster( between the kids and keeping kosher this feels very hard!). I am hoping that with the increased protein and decreased ( I hope) carb intake I can lose the weight, and get down to the size I want to be. Any help would be very appreciated!

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3850 · June 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Have you considered that you might be overtraining?

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0 · March 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM

What do you make of Ezekiel, Elijah, and others in the scriptures serving and eating bread? This is the biggie for me as I study Paleo. I've only been on it this week--it's making a lot of sense, but there is a lot to learn. And I still wonder about those in the Bible--if God said eat bread then...?

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10 · April 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

i can relate...i read that with paleo in a year one's weight would be where it should beI have been doing paleo for one year. i was a good 70 pounds over weight when i began...i lost about 30 pounds in the first several months. i am 54,so post menopausal and a type 1 diabetic . i started cross fit 2 and a half months ago and have gained 8 pounds...grrr..i know...i know it's muscle..i dont care so much about numbers... i would like to lose the fat that coats my new muscle. i feel terrific but i want the fat gone..sounds like i need to kebosh the alcohol and all dairy...being diabetic carbs are important especially when blood sugars go low which they do with exercise...any suggestions?

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201 · February 01, 2012 at 7:53 AM

I lost too much weight when I first started Paleo. It just fell off. I've tried the low carb thing twice and always gain weight that way. I've tracked my food intake for a long time now and looked back at how I was eating when I lost weight the first time it looked like this:

Smoothie for breakfast: low cal

Spinach salad with some protein, berries and lots of olive oi for lunch: medium cal

Hard boiled eggs and lara bar or coconut flakes and almonds for snack

Huge pile of veggies with lots of fat and a large chunk of protein for dinner: high cal

Lots of frozen blueberries, strawberries and coconut milk and/or apples with almond butter for pre-bedtime snack

Overall I ate more calories than calories in calories out would say I ought to and lost weight. Now my weight stays pretty even unless I have any sweeteners at all, including honey or if I do the low carb thing, then I gain weight.

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561 · May 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I've wanted to post this same question. I've always found I only lose weight w/some form of calorie reduction. I tried Paleo hoping there'd be an exception. NOPE!

I actually gained weight eating no-dairy paleo--from 132 to 146 (@5' 6") or so cos I think I added heavy weights @ same time as diet and might have been eating too much protein at first, but that was OK since I'm 43 and wanted a little more muscle mass for my bones/longevity.

I tried a lot of things before cutting calories but recently CR has FINALLY worked for me. Cutting out nuts nor adding sprints to my workouts helped the fat come off until I did calorie restriction. The fat is melting off now.

I average around 1200 a day and eat only meats, fish, eggs, leafy greens, onion (as big carb hit of the day!), avocados. I eat about 50 carbs a day. Fish oil, Vit D, nettle tea daily for calcium.

Last summer I was losing weight on about 1200 calores, 100-130 carbs but I don't think it was as easy for my body to get into ketosis which helps. So the weight loss seems faster on the lower carbs.

I generally skip breakfast and go for a walk instead. I'm IF'ing, feeding between 12pm-7pm daily, generally.

Check out this recent podcast @Healthy Skeptic on food quality and body fat set points/metabolism and some ideas on how to change your body's system. Interesting theory.

Good luck!

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10 · February 09, 2011 at 8:54 PM

I have lost thirty pounds since starting Paleo. However, I am restricting my carbs. I average between 6-30g carbs a day. Oh, and I started Paleo the beginning of January.

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1510 · February 09, 2011 at 11:30 PM

last January ?

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2682 · February 07, 2011 at 6:49 PM

I've been easing into paleo since Aug 2010 and have lost ~30 lbs. I started by cutting boxed foods and other processed foods. I then limited my grain intake, and then finally completely cut out gluten and most grains.

I haven't really lost any weight since Nov/Dec and I know I have more fat to lose...I can see it sitting on my belly. I have been maintaining, but not losing. The weight-loss stall doesn't have much to do with the holidays as I stayed fairly strict and even hosted Thanksgiving and Christmas at my house so I could control the food options a little more. I think the major culprit is that the cold weather moved in around that time and so I stopped playing in the backyard as much.

I'm considering cutting out dairy and alcohol. I limit sugar intake, but I could be better about this. I also have a love affair with potatoes, which can't be helping my waistline. 8)

As far as exercise, most of what I do is slow and steady (walking the dog, bike rides, etc.). A few weeks ago, I started the 100 pushups challenge and, now that the weather is improving, I plan to be outside running around more at higher speeds/intensities.

I have always lost weight easier than my husband, but I think that has more to do with our backgrounds: I have been skinny for most of my life (chunky for 7 of my 27 years) whereas he has been overweight or obese most, if not all, of his life.

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316 · February 07, 2011 at 4:47 PM

I lost weight initially when I switched to Paleo (probably about 5-ish lbs). I'm 5'6" and and about 162 lbs, last time I had my body fat measured it was 21-22%. I carry most of my weight in my thighs... I'd love to lean down a bit, so I'm looking more into IF and PSMF - anyone have any tips?

Looking at my cal/fat/carb averages for a few days taken over the past month, I average 1700 calories, 125g of fat (60% of calories), 110g of carbs (24%, higher than I thought it would be for veggies!), and 72g of protein (15%) a day.

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1579 · February 09, 2011 at 2:36 AM

I would get your protein over your carbs. Cut down to 50g or less of carbs. It's surprising how many carbs veggies have and see how your body reacts. Most people can lose on 50-100g of carbs a day but others have to really cut them low.

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892 · February 07, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Hi Lauren! I'm very close to where you are... 5'5", 156lbs, definite pear shape. I don't feel like I'm really qualified to give advice since I've never really had dramatic success, I just seem to gain a bit when I'm stressed and lose a bit when I'm strict and I track everything. I was really hoping that ditching the hormonal birth control last fall would finally make the difference, but no dice. I'm really tired of logging stuff though, so right now I'm focusing on upping my protein and cutting back on snacking. Good luck to you! and to me! :)

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1579 · February 07, 2011 at 2:39 AM

I gained weight on Paleo but also work out a lot, so hard to say how much is muscle. I do want to lose about 10lbs of fat and couldn't get the scale to budge until I cut carbs to less than 50g total a day. I log everything. I thought I'd lack energy, but don't at all.

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1579 · February 09, 2011 at 2:34 AM

FitDay.com It's free and it's a great tool. You can also use it from your phone.

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What software do you use for logging food?

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2099 · February 07, 2011 at 2:58 AM

I have much more energy eating this way than the SAD way, too.

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1617 · February 07, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Lax paleo got rid of the weight I gained in college and got me down from 145 lbs to 132 lbs (I'm 5'7"). I did a 2-week Atkins induction experiment that got me down to 127 lbs and I looked noticeably thinner, but I was happy enough at 132 lbs that I didn't continue Atkins and I gained the 5 lbs back. My lax paleo diet maintained me at 132 lbs for 5 years until I got pregnant.

So I guess the upshot is, paleo makes me lose weight, low carb makes me lose more weight.

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 2:14 AM

I think it's the type of carbs we are eating too, instead of the bread and other crap, it's fruits/veggie carbs.

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1617 · February 07, 2011 at 1:56 AM

I think paleo kinda reset my carb metabolism, which is really nice. I can eat well over 100g and maintain. Still gotta lower them to lose though. :)

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18701 · February 07, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Yes, lowering the carbs is what I think made the difference for me! I am still fairly high for some Paleos at 75 grams, but it is lower than what I was consuming before, plus I think it is helping with the water retention.

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1186 · August 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Right now my body is kind of in a state of distress, but that is not Paleo related. I have been paleo since 2010, and didn't notice much weight loss in the first year (maybe 10lbs, but I was lean to start with). 

I found what worked for me was letting go of all the ideals and ideas, and just eating real food. When I tried too hard to be hardcore keto or autoimmune protocol I ended up stressing my body and actually ending up inflamed and worse off.

I firmly believe the body tells us what it needs (unless it needs cookies and ice cream, then its a dirty liar), so if you want an apple or some coconut butter, eat it. There is probably a reason.

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47 · August 24, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I did low-carb paleo for about a year and a half. I noticed that my blood sugar went down, but my weight went up (only about 10 pounds) and stayed there the whole time. Recently, I've reintroduced more safe starches (yay sweet potatoes!) and I'm back down to my pre-low-carb weight, but blood sugar is a bit elevated. It's a trade-off I guess. Theoretically if I lose more weight, the blood sugar will fix itself.

 

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0 · April 29, 2014 at 3:14 AM

My weight hasn't changed too much since starting paleo 4 months ago. I"m 178cm and weigh between 67-69kg depending on what's happening. Last time someone measured my body fat composition, it had dropped to 20%. So to look in the mirror, it doesn't look like much has changed to me but my measurements have slowly changed so I know it's working. I am getting my head around that this is a long term lifestyle rather than weight loss program and the benefits aside from weight loss far outweigh this.

Finding out what exercise my body likes is important too. I aim to do 3 crossfit sessions a week, yoga and walking so its some hard core then soft and gentle....this is good for mental fitness too. I hate weighing and measuring food as its there to nourish the body and be enjoyed. I tend to become obsessed with numbers if I start recording figures all the time. So I try to just enjoy the process simply

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0 · April 29, 2014 at 3:10 AM

My weight hasn't changed too much since starting paleo 4 months ago. I"m 178cm and weigh between 67-69kg depending on what's happening. Last time someone measured my body fat composition, it had dropped to 20%. So to look in the mirror, it doesn't look like much has changed to me but my measurements have slowly changed so I know it's working. I am getting my head around that this is a long term lifestyle rather than weight loss program and the benefits aside from weight loss far outweigh this.

Finding out what exercise my body likes is important too. I aim to do 3 crossfit sessions a week, yoga and walking so its some hard core then soft and gentle....this is good for mental fitness too. I hate weighing and measuring food as its there to nourish the body and be enjoyed. I tend to become obsessed with numbers if I start recording figures all the time. So I try to just enjoy the process simply

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0 · April 18, 2014 at 7:40 PM

I have gradually lost some weight, but gained muscle and feel much better. To keep losing, I do need to restrict calories to around 1000 to 1500. I don't find this hard as having shifted to nutritional Ketosis, I'm not that hungry. I stay WAY away from carbs at all. Occasional lower carb fruit, not much alcohol (only as a treat and without sodas or sugary mixes). It IS harder for most of us women, on the other hand, it does help (gradually) to correct hormones (like insulin and thyroid) and that too will help in the long run. Patience and committment win the day on this one...

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0 · July 23, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I think when it comes to weight loss men do tend to lose weight faster than women because their muscle mass is greater. You also have to take into account each individuals metabolic rate some are faster than others especially if you have a thyroid problem or if you suddenly calorie shift. I however tried this Paleo program and it worked for me. Different strokes for different folks ladies http://tinyurl.com/q8k98ub

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0 · July 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I am committed but frustrated. I transitioned from carb heavy, calorie counting to more clean eating to now non-dairy Paleo. Result...more gained weight. I started running 2 years ago and lost 60 lbs only to have 20 of it come back since eating clean in February. I am just so frustrated and nearly depressed over it.

My only sugar is 2 tbls of honey in my herbal tea and ACV mixture in the evening. I have an injured knee and so now I cannot exercise either (the reason I went to strict paleo). Limit fruit to 1 or 2 times a week. Not using Paleo-fied recipes - meat, veggies, occasional sweet potato. Take iron and b-12 (liquid) due to anemia, no longer cycle due to histo in Feb, take fish oil 2x daily, multi, calcium and vit C.

I know everyone is different but it seems like there would be some physiological norms. I feel better eating Paleo but losing the weight is really important to me (and my insurance company that makes me wear a pedometer and visit the doctor regularly). I don't want to go back to calorie counting. I have a very busy and unpredictable job with some travel so calorie counting is tough. Paleo has been easier - "oh, just a salad for me please."

I'm not sure what to do...am I still missing something or just going to be too fat forever?

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47 · August 24, 2014 at 5:21 PM

@KFales

It's gotta be frustrating having the weight come back after working so hard to lose it. It's a possibility that the paleo diet is not causing the weight gain, since you have stopped exercising due to your injury. If you enjoy paleo, there's no reason to stop it. Clearly the exercise had a huge impact on your weight - if you can still do a low-impact workout like swimming, it would allow you to get in some cardio without hurting your knee any more. If you can't do that, then some resistance training at home would still help you keep your metabolism up and keep you from losing muscle mass.

Otherwise, try to keep the mindset that the weight gain is temporary, until you are well enough to exercise again. Feel better!

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1580 · June 08, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I lost weight when I started paleo, about 5lbs.

I then decided that I wanted to lose another 10lbs and went on a VLC, low-calorie strict paleo diet. It was hell. I was constantly tired, weak, couldn't focus or move, cold, low sex drive, no periods - because I'd made myself hypothyroid

I went from 30g max carbs a day to 60-80g, and from 1000-1200 cals to 1200-1500

In my experience, paleo doesn't make me lose weight - only strict and consistent calorie restriction will do that, and I think it's the same for a lot of girls. Also, where IF and VLC makes a lot of men very lean, it seems to push a lot of women into hypothyroidism

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71 · June 08, 2013 at 2:50 PM

well I use to lose wt on a fairly healthy low carb, meat, veggies, salad, very little processed foods, and dairy was my big downfall. Eventually I'd get down to a low weight where I would be very happy BMI 19-22. But I could never maintain that and I'd always regain back up into the 160-180s or over 200 when I was pregnant. The last 2 years low carb just didn't work for me anymore. I was always "starting again on monday". I'd binge on bread and sweets and then follow low carb for a week or two and fall off the wagon again. I was getting pretty hopeless until a google search led me to Paleo. I started in Nov and have been really good about following w/ NO Cheats! I stopped weighing myself in 2007-08 so I go strictly by clothes. I've gone from a size 16 to a size 6-8 and I feel great. I'm not much for exercise due to a previous fx femur and I need to have hardware removed.

My big fear is that just like all of my previous diets I will fall off of the wagon and the regain will happen and I will be powerless to stop it. That's the only way to describe it. When I have bread, sugar, dairy, or fruit I am like a high speed train that can't be stopped. It's depressing really. Also the fact that low carb flu hits me worse than most people makes it so hard to get back to healthy eating. Not exaggerating I was SO exhaused, fatigue, malaise, nauseous, shaky, achy ect... the last time it lasted from Nov 25ht until mid Jan. UGH.

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832 · June 09, 2013 at 3:00 AM

I hear ya. The difference this time for me is with Paleo is I actually believe in it to be the healthy way to eat. Believing in this health benefit is what keeps me Paleo. Hope that helps, and congrats on your success!

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0 · June 08, 2013 at 11:50 AM

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10 · April 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Do you really want all your fat gone? My husband has no fat and his energy level fluctuates so dramatically through the day it is hard to watch.

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10 · April 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

And, he's 6'8" and under 180, we're eating healthier but he's obviously got different needs and a very different metabolism. I've seen him eat 4,000 calories in a day when he was at a higher weight. I definitely have stopped working on keeping his weight up, as I'm bringing mine down. I guess I should be working on him too! Our daughter is a 95% height 10% weight kid - oh well, I guess I should go buy some groceries.

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10 · April 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM

oops I was trying to answer another post.

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1097 · October 29, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I've only been eating paleo-like for the past two weeks, and I've been losing weight for the past four months. I've had a few 'false starts' before, and my result every single time was that whenever I started eating paleo, weight started to melt off. BUT that's when I'm still restricting my calories to lose two pounds a week, and eating at that calorie intake strictly every single day.

I don't think just taking down your carbs will help you lose weight. You still need the proper calorie deficit, but the point of paleo is that you get full and stay satisfied with the sort of food you eat, and you get better nutrition than SAD eaters.

That's just my opinion and experience. Others may have had different experiences. I'll be able to give a more concrete answers in another month or so, I think.

Happy Losing!

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10 · July 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Six additional rules to help women lose weight on the Paleo diet can be found here at www.threedietsonedinner.com http://www.threedietsonedinner.com/2012/07/the-paleo-diet-for-weight-loss.html

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0 · April 03, 2012 at 9:54 PM

do you guys find that taking out dairy is beneficial for weight loss/overall health from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE because for me I find that it helps me get in that extra fat really easily in combination with the energy boost from the coffee im drinking it with. A few tablespoons of cream is all the dairy I have daily.

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3217 · January 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM

It's hard to say what I've lost. Probably 40 pounds, 15 of it the last of the baby weight. I do well when I'm being really strict (a la Whole 30 or some such) and tend to maintain as soon as I allow myself wine, dark chocolate, and a little dairy and white rice. That's OK with me, though. I like the cyclic nature of it. As long as I don't fall off the wagon entirely, I don't seem to gain back what I've lost.

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255 · June 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Started eating Paleo in mid-November '10...was down 35 lbs - sans exercise except for walking - in about a quarter year. Since then, though, have been plateaued. Suspect I'm going to be one of those who has to cut the carbs way back to break through this. If nothing else, a few too many cheats (french fries done in conventional oils) have been making their way into my diet lately...

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193 · June 29, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Well I'm glad you posted this hack because I feel the same way and it's good to know I'm not alone! I wasn't overweight or needed to lose any weight for that matter when i started Paleo. I did lose about 10-15lbs but I'm still in the average category as far as weight, BMI, and body fat % goes. I would like to tigthen up my muscles and get those abs you were talking about but my lower abs just don't want to give way! That's where being a female comes into play...we're supposed to have fatty lower abs so we can carry babies and I think my body's just not ready to let go. I'm in my prime age (24) and while my body might be ready to get pregnant, I sure aint! It's been about 6 months for me so we'll see what happens in another 6 months or a year from now I think I'll have those abs you were describing! But I definitely think that the last 10-15lbs a woman can lose is going to take longer because of the way we're built. In my experience, I stopped taking birth control pills, do a lot of IF, stick to just leafy greens, and stay LC to help move the process along a little quicker. Until then I just try to focus on loving my body the way it is IN CASE I am stuck with this body comp forever. Although as far as your hack, I think even if you don't try to move things along quicker, your body will eventually (not as soon as men of course) give up it's last fat storage as long as you stay Paleo. So keep going and good luck!!!

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Yeah, when I was rowing we were working out 13 times a week, doing loads of weights and sprint work and ab work...never got flat lower abs. I think that some of us just can't. I didn't even have my period anymore, but my body still would not let that lower stomach go! I don't worry about it now, if it didn't budge then, it isn't going to budge now. My upper waist slimmed out a lot though on paleo, so that's nice! Apparently those several inches on the lower abdomen are somehow integral to my body structure as a future breeder though...

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78422 · May 30, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I did lose about 10lbs in the first 30 days, What I like about the weight loss on Paleo is:

Slow and steady (a few lbs a month is fine by me)

Paleo helps balance my hormones, so not so many shifts

Lose fat not muscle

Lose all over not just in face and boobs

Do not count calories b/c I'm not hungry in between meals so allow myself to eat to satiety during meals.

If I want to go faster I just have to go strict paleo w/moderate carbs, then mix it up with a few weeks under 20gr carbs + work out.

All in all Paleo is a very pleasant and satisfying way of eating. It suits me in so many ways, not the least of which is I don't feel a slave to food like I do on sugar and grains.

All of our experience has to also take into account our varied ages and activity levels. I'm in my 40's and dealing with hormones more than I ever did. I now have way more issues with cortisol, adrenal fatigue and estrogen/progesterone imbalance. Balancing these is so much more important to me than losing weight.

The thing I really have to watch out for is being not hungry/not eating anything and then being too ravenous to resist non-paleo foods at home or abroad.

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78422 · June 15, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I can only say that my wife is at 10% BF and in size "0" jeans. Her abs, obliques, and intercostals all clearly defined. No sign of belly fat. Our baby turned a year old a few weeks ago. Funny thing is, she insists on maintaining a full-time job while in Nursing school. So busy, she hasn't worked out since the week she delivered. Over a year. My ex-wife of 11 years and I have 4 kids between us. Same thing. We don't count calories or measure anything. We eat till complete satiety. So my question to you is, are you pursuing a Paleo Lifestyle or on the paleo diet?

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12407 · June 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM

from what i've read, 10% bodyfat isn't normal for a healthy female. very few elite women athletes even get to that level of bodyfat and i think it's unrealistic to hold women to that standard.

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78422 · June 15, 2011 at 7:24 PM

I don't hold anyone to any standard but I don't make excuses either. Bottom line, very few are eating enough fat. If someone is happy with their appearance, I am happy for them. Now, I read somewhere that the paleo diet is ranked 20th out of 20....

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78422 · June 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Sure from what I've read but not from what I've seen. N I meant to comment earlier that all women Ive mentioned have normal menstrual cycles. Just feel bad cuz everyone is micro-managing n using fitday, etc. n struggling.

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12407 · June 15, 2011 at 7:57 PM

but a woman who drops under 15% usually stops having her period. there's nothing healthy about that. and what exactly are we making excuses for? a woman at 18-20% bodyfat is lean. 10% is dangerous by most standards.

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78422 · June 16, 2011 at 1:11 AM

The fat. I think that's where some of us ladies are going wrong. I really need to up the fat. Would you or your wife be willing to share a typical day's meal with us PH ladies? I'm down to a size 0 jeans and obliques are coming in but there is some slight jiggle-leg going on.

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11557 · January 31, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I think every woman is different. When I had an 18% body fat and size 2 pants, my period stopped completely, hair thinned, everything kind of just freaked out. So my question to you is, are you generalizing all woman or just bragging about a defined wife? Sorry, couldn't help twisting the last weird question you snuck in there.

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53 · June 08, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I question whether she is really 10% bodyfat. There is a lot of variability in bodyfat testing depending on the test used (underwater weighing, bodypod, skin calipers) as well as in the operator

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