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Three Palm Size Chunks of Meat, Less Than 100 g of carbs and...?

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I've heard (read) a lot of the ins and outs of Paleo. Don't measure weight on the scale, measure performance; Eat enough protein, eat enough fat, don't eat too many carbs (and they're 75% veggies, 1-2 g of nuts, one fruit). I've posted questions and researched others' comments about the hunger--I'm on Day 6. The hunger stays. I woke up at 4 am from the hunger. I am eating plenty, I think! But avoiding carbs (yet I still wind up at about 100 or I go insane.) I'm not avoiding the fat, using butter and olive oil and if I can stand it, coconut oil.

But once I've gone through my 3 palm size meat portions, come to my 100 carbs--what do I eat?! I am going hungry!

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:59 PM

More great info. Here's my million dollar question(s): I'm definitely in ketosis. Whew. But that scale is not budging...I'm on day 8 (remind me to stay the he** away from the scale?!) but with the amount of hunger I've experienced daily (NOT boredom hunger I assure you) I'd expect some fast or at least SOME weight loss. I'm am still walking aerobically (every other day, 1/2 hour), weight lifting (it's new to my system though), and time-killing squats & lunges (while brushing my teeth :-) ) Is it truly possible I'm building muscle or WTHeck? I have about 8 lbs of fat to lose.

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17103 · March 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Nothing wrong with VLC/ketogenic diets as long as you also don't do IF along with it, and you don't experience any of the symptoms of going without carbs for too long (dry eyes, insomnia, etc.)

In general try to stick to a seasonal diet. That means more carbs at the end of the summer, nearly none in winter.

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17103 · March 21, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Eat grassfed butter to your enjoyment, unless you're sensitive to dairy, in which case try ghee. Don't use sparingly. Why? Butter has very little milk solids left in it and is a wonderful source of high quality fats.

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17103 · March 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Eggs are wonderful. Eat more of the yolks and less of the whites - the whites contain methionine which require the B6, B12, and folate in the yolks to process, so you wouldn't get as much of those vitamins if you eat whole eggs. Ignore conventional wisdom, eat more yolks.

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:16 AM

What's the concensus on butter? I've been using it but is it to be used sparingly? It must not be considered dairy?

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:14 AM

I think you might be right about the "high energy requirement." I am not a real athlete but on any previous diet / lifestyle I've burned more calories and gotten hungrier easier than most people ( I think I said that in my earlier comment to you). I've often said I should have been fat for the amount of food I ate compared to others--not that I had a super-metabolism but probably better than average. So I guess that would still apply even going Primal.

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 10:37 PM

How about eggs?

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 10:14 PM

I am totally obsessing, true! I think the insane hunger, all the research and trying to adhere, the carb withdrawals, and the likely magnesium deficiency (I ran as fast as I could and got some Natural Calm today--hopefully reducing water retention and insomnia!) have taken their toll. These are very good suggestions. Would you say snack as needed (to avoid hunger--but still burn fat?)

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455 · March 19, 2014 at 8:01 PM

+1 Great advice. Can't go wrong with more fat and leafy greens. Paleo BLT salads for the win!

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I'm a 5'8" female age 43 at 135 lbs. I held a steady 128 until I went berserk with my eating the past 9 months. I've decided to try Paleo as it seems to make sense.I balk a bit at the counting of calories since I've generally had a higher metabolism and lost weight rather easily. I wonder if I'm retaining water of some kind? I know I have a magnesium low and just started that supplement. I am finding this style of eating hugely challenging. I think more veggie carbs?

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598 · March 19, 2014 at 9:24 PM

I suggest you don't obsess too, too much over exact measurements and ratios (not that I don't) but if you must find some foods that are almost pure fat but still good alone:

-egg yolk (or mostly-yolk) is highly nutritious and mostly fat. I cook this super-fat eggy thing invention which I'll give you a recipe for if you ask...

-macadamia nuts are delicious, nutritious, and almost pure fat.

-avocado: some people can eat them plain (has to be a really good one for me but my GF will munch any old avocado)

-coconut milk/cream: I'll eat the stuff plain or with some mild flavoring. Try mixing it with coco powder, I haven't but I'm sure it's good.

-olives from the can....

-fatty cheese...

-there are those who eat/drink plain olive/coconut oil or butter, but I can't take it.

-mix-and-match. If you do dairy, for instance, top some eggs with very fatty sour cream, avocado, and fatty cheese, and your favorite salsa/pico de gallo...

-salad with an extremely oil-heavy home made dressing (easy, just mix a few tablespoons of olive/avocado oil with however much balsamic vinegar and whichever spices suit your taste) Toss in some avocado and fatty cheese and you've got an almost all-fat meal. You could even add some tomato and bell pepper and cucumber, which are all effectively pretty low carb. Mushrooms are nice too, but then you're really getting into whole meal territory.

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 10:14 PM

I am totally obsessing, true! I think the insane hunger, all the research and trying to adhere, the carb withdrawals, and the likely magnesium deficiency (I ran as fast as I could and got some Natural Calm today--hopefully reducing water retention and insomnia!) have taken their toll. These are very good suggestions. Would you say snack as needed (to avoid hunger--but still burn fat?)

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529 · March 21, 2014 at 6:59 AM

In recent years, many respected voices in the Paleo community have re-accepted carbs as an important dietary nutrient. So VLC/ketogenic diets are not exactly broadly accepted in the paleosphere, like they once were.

Having said that, there's nothing wrong with trying low-carb for yourself. Many people employ it short-term for quick weight-loss, for instance.

But it seems like the longer a person has been eating paleo, the less likely they are to be concerned about their carb intake. I've observed this many times on Paleohacks and on other forums.

For instance, only this week, Peter "Mr. Ketosis" Attia, came out about his greatly increased his carb intake.

Anyhow, something to think about!

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17103 · March 21, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Nothing wrong with VLC/ketogenic diets as long as you also don't do IF along with it, and you don't experience any of the symptoms of going without carbs for too long (dry eyes, insomnia, etc.)

In general try to stick to a seasonal diet. That means more carbs at the end of the summer, nearly none in winter.

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:59 PM

More great info. Here's my million dollar question(s): I'm definitely in ketosis. Whew. But that scale is not budging...I'm on day 8 (remind me to stay the he** away from the scale?!) but with the amount of hunger I've experienced daily (NOT boredom hunger I assure you) I'd expect some fast or at least SOME weight loss. I'm am still walking aerobically (every other day, 1/2 hour), weight lifting (it's new to my system though), and time-killing squats & lunges (while brushing my teeth :-) ) Is it truly possible I'm building muscle or WTHeck? I have about 8 lbs of fat to lose.

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:11 AM

Hey Paleo Gang--I guess I can calm down now! I am definitely in ketosis.(Bought the Ketostix today) Yesterday and the day before when I was asking a zillion desperate questions I was so hungry, so tired, so foggy headed and exhausted after insomnia (that I was literally crying!), I figured out I was magnesium deficient. I got the Natural Calm supplement and boy does that live up to its name. I felt better by evening and then after a good night's sleep, I was sane today. Discovering I'd finally hit ketosis was a big mood lifter. Still working through the hunger--but the good thing about this kind of hunger compared to my old kind of hunger is I don't feel nauseous. It's a hard hunger but I am more confident in figuring it out. Thank you so much for your input! @wtfgod , @Methodician,@raydawg

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17103 · March 19, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Why, fat of course. avocado, butter, coconut oil, bacon, nuts, etc.

BTW, when counting carbs, don't count leafy greens as they're mostly fiber and water.

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 10:37 PM

How about eggs?

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455 · March 19, 2014 at 8:01 PM

+1 Great advice. Can't go wrong with more fat and leafy greens. Paleo BLT salads for the win!

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:16 AM

What's the concensus on butter? I've been using it but is it to be used sparingly? It must not be considered dairy?

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245 · March 19, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Measure your calories.

If you have a generic measurement like '3 palm size meat portions and 100g carbs' then how could you possibly accomidate both a 110lb person who doesn't exercise and a 250lb lean person who exercises 6 days a week? Need to think of it as a 'Template' - buzzword - which you manipulate to work for you.

But you are onto something, if you limit carbs so drasticly you need to add more fats to make up for the calorie defecit. Unfortunatly they're arn't many 'fat' foods. You may need to almost supplement oils if you limit your carbs and have a high energy requirement, atleast in my limited and possibly biased view.

edit with options:

Fattier cuts of meat

fatty non-meats (nuts/avacados)

'bulletproof' type drinks

more eggs

eat more carbs *gasp*

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0 · March 21, 2014 at 3:14 AM

I think you might be right about the "high energy requirement." I am not a real athlete but on any previous diet / lifestyle I've burned more calories and gotten hungrier easier than most people ( I think I said that in my earlier comment to you). I've often said I should have been fat for the amount of food I ate compared to others--not that I had a super-metabolism but probably better than average. So I guess that would still apply even going Primal.

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0 · March 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I'm a 5'8" female age 43 at 135 lbs. I held a steady 128 until I went berserk with my eating the past 9 months. I've decided to try Paleo as it seems to make sense.I balk a bit at the counting of calories since I've generally had a higher metabolism and lost weight rather easily. I wonder if I'm retaining water of some kind? I know I have a magnesium low and just started that supplement. I am finding this style of eating hugely challenging. I think more veggie carbs?

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