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forever in ketosis?

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Created February 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM

hey there!

so I tried every method to lose weight, being paleo for ages, not lost anything (feeling better of course, but still overweight). The only state my body gets slimmer is ketosis. And usually it's <20g carbs I can eat. I'm okay with this, today I entered ketosis and some water weight has shed. But I wonder - if one day, I have lost the extra pounds, what do I do then? I know that even I eat <1500 calories a day, I gain weight easily if it's some more carbs. But I can't stand in ketosis forever, I mean, there will be days when I can't get around having some fries with friends or so. The last time I had a pizza I instantly gained 4 whole pounds and they stayed (!). Do I really have to stay in ketosis forever? Ps.: Yes I do exersise, usually hiit/crossfit a few times a week.

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I have had to use a diuretic sometimes for blood pressure paleot. The effect is similar to ketosis. I pee a lot and within a day of starting my weight is down 3-4 lbs with no change in diet or exercise.

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 8:32 PM

That's about an hour a week. A really hard workout burns 700 calories per hour, and at 3500 calories per pound of fat that's 0.2 pounds per week or about a pound a month. When I was losing weight with dieting and exercise my goal was 5-8 pounds per month and I increased my exercise to 20 hours a week to achieve that. When I reached my weight goal I increased the amount I ate, but kept on exercising. I've continued to do that for the last seven years. Besides maintaining the weight loss, the exercise keeps my blood pressure down and my HDL up. And I get to eat a lot.

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1005 · February 23, 2014 at 8:17 PM

25 being the hydroxyl group position in the circulating vitamin d3 metabolite for blood detection. Standard stuff. You tell them you want to test your 25(oh)d3 and they'll know what it is.

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247 · February 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM

is it a us thing or an international code for the test? :)

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1005 · February 23, 2014 at 8:08 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22402737

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1005 · February 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM

The metabolism really picked up once I switched to paleo, back in the day, I didn't really eat all that much. It was 2,000 calories or less but it was all carbs and junk. I'd do like a soda for breakfast, fast food and soda for lunch, then like hot pockets for dinner. Just the worst possible SAD combos imaginable, lol. Then throw on 3-4 bowls of weed on top a day. Eventually, it caught up with me, and now, I'm on here. (I gotta get off this site, it's kind of addictive.) Yeah, none of that inflammation helps. Nice on the cold shower! 25ohd3 is the blood test.

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247 · February 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Oh you can't just tell me about your fast metabolism, it makes me so jealous hearing this :D My health isn't that good either, even after I switched to paleo, I have Ibs, super sensitive skin, migraines, high inflammation markers etc. - but no allergies or so, but maybe thats what's making my metabolism like this. what do you mean with d3? the vitamin? I just started supplementing with 1600 IU of vit d3 (my skin got worser) and fish oil. I have an ice cold shower every morning, if this is a sort of 'cold thermogenesis'.

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247 · February 23, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Well it's about 2-3 times 20 minutes of Hiit at home, bought a 10-kg-kettleball now and adding this also. It doesn't sound that much but it's really alot to me, I get really sweaty and feel like dying (but great!) after this workout in the morning. I also walk alot, don't even own a car so this might sum up also. As a student I can't afford a gym membership where I live, any workout ideas to add? I have no idea about my thyroid now, the last time I checked was like 3 or 4 years ago but it was alright.

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1005 · February 23, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Eating more potassium would fix that up. I should add, I eat a ton of potassium. Fearing a few slices of pizza as a 4lb gain doesn't add up. There's no reason to stay ketogenic forever to avoid excess hydration.

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Water bloat doesn't correlate with calories. I remember eating a deep dish pizza with a large good old boy from southern Alabama: "This is gonna swell on me".

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26182 · February 24, 2014 at 2:59 PM

You said it yourself -- water weight.

If you are bouncing up and down 5-7 lbs, its most likely water weight. And not weight that you should be concerned of.

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787 · February 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

If I eat carbs I make sure to exercise after, usually the day after as I inevitably eat them in the evening on a weekend, and I also fast for a while the next day, this makes sure my body uses up the excess sugar & will be back in ketosis to some degree asap

I've noticed the best exercises for reducing excess sugar floating around my system are resistance training or sprinting, walking won't cut it much unless it's about a 5-10k+ walk

I think long term ketosis and dipping out of it occasionally is fine, better than the reverse option in my opinion

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM

How much time do you put in at exercise? I added up what I do to maintain normal weight - walking - and it's about 20 hours a week. If I stop I have two choices: starve myself and maintain, or keep eating the same and start regaining. The 20 hours represents about a pound of fat burned. If you're doing 2 hours a week of HIIT I'd guess you're burning about 1/3 pound, and it will take forever to lose 10 pounds. In sum, if you're not losing you probably need to put in more gym time without eating any more than you do now.

How's your thyroid? My TSH is on the high side, which cuts down my metabolism. Unless my dr. puts me on hormones I'm pretty well stuck for losing any more weight.

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247 · February 23, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Well it's about 2-3 times 20 minutes of Hiit at home, bought a 10-kg-kettleball now and adding this also. It doesn't sound that much but it's really alot to me, I get really sweaty and feel like dying (but great!) after this workout in the morning. I also walk alot, don't even own a car so this might sum up also. As a student I can't afford a gym membership where I live, any workout ideas to add? I have no idea about my thyroid now, the last time I checked was like 3 or 4 years ago but it was alright.

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 8:32 PM

That's about an hour a week. A really hard workout burns 700 calories per hour, and at 3500 calories per pound of fat that's 0.2 pounds per week or about a pound a month. When I was losing weight with dieting and exercise my goal was 5-8 pounds per month and I increased my exercise to 20 hours a week to achieve that. When I reached my weight goal I increased the amount I ate, but kept on exercising. I've continued to do that for the last seven years. Besides maintaining the weight loss, the exercise keeps my blood pressure down and my HDL up. And I get to eat a lot.

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1005 · February 23, 2014 at 5:43 PM

I've always been able to eat whatever I want weight control wise without much exercise. (I hear pot smokers are better carb burners.) I lived on pizza, bread, and potato chips all day, sat in front of my computer, and did not gain much weight at all. I'd usually drink 2 or 3 cans of dr pepper a day. (I slimmed down to 145 on paleo eating a greater volume of food than ever, where I was 155 the previous 10 years or so.) It's amazing how much more quantity of food you need when you're used to drinking fast food milkshakes, then switch to veg. The problem for me is that my overall health suffers on such a junky anti-nutritious diet. It landed me in the hospital and I just about died.

In theory, you should be able to just eat real food to satiety whenever you get hungry, go about your normal activities, and maintain a normal weight. Something is messed up with your metabolism (how's your d3 / thyroid / sleep quality?) Typically, keto provides an overhaul that corrects insulin and leptin resistance, but you have to fully adapt. Maybe you could play around with light cold thermogenesis (I think I might give it a try.) Things like turning your AC down a little more and sleeping without a blanket.

Once your weight is down, the calories should be able to come back up and the restrictions gone (as long as you're still Paleo.) With exercise, the math should work out to prevent gains.

Are you tracking / measuring correctly? 14,000 calories beyond the 2,000 required is a lot of pizza required for a 4lb gain.

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Water bloat doesn't correlate with calories. I remember eating a deep dish pizza with a large good old boy from southern Alabama: "This is gonna swell on me".

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10194 · February 23, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I have had to use a diuretic sometimes for blood pressure paleot. The effect is similar to ketosis. I pee a lot and within a day of starting my weight is down 3-4 lbs with no change in diet or exercise.

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247 · February 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Oh you can't just tell me about your fast metabolism, it makes me so jealous hearing this :D My health isn't that good either, even after I switched to paleo, I have Ibs, super sensitive skin, migraines, high inflammation markers etc. - but no allergies or so, but maybe thats what's making my metabolism like this. what do you mean with d3? the vitamin? I just started supplementing with 1600 IU of vit d3 (my skin got worser) and fish oil. I have an ice cold shower every morning, if this is a sort of 'cold thermogenesis'.

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